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re: Will Blackwell on Coach Miles and the lost Natty

Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:37 am to
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:37 am to
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I used to think it was stubbornness by Les. However, I honestly think Les was not capable of doing what needed to be done. His whole career at LSU was a like watching a tightrope act. He wobbled his way thru most of the time but was a one trick pony. In his last few years he was so fat and happy (and rich) being the LSU coach that he didn’t see the need to change. He was just going to stay on the ride for as long as he could. The whole thing truly sickened me. He was in over his head and I think everyone knows it. I would not call that stubbornness.



Les was certainly stubborn. So much so that it—rightfully—cost him his job in the end. But to think he was in over his head and just reading for 11 YEARS is absurd. No matter the foundation Saban built, you don’t last that long, win that many games (in the best division in the history of college football) by being incompetent. Les was a good coach—probably very good—he just got hosed by being in the same division as the greatest coach of all time in the midst of the greatest dynasty of all time. And it was his even greater misfortune that that coach just happened to be his predecessor at LSU, and folks just never could get over it.

The 2011 LSU team was one of the greatest in college football history. Unfortunately, so was the 2011 Alabama team. And even more unfortunately, they got a mulligan they didn’t deserve. As a big proponent of the BCS, I argued leading up to 1/9/12 that the BCS worked, and Bama should have been there because they were better than Oklahoma State, who shouldn’t have lost to Iowa State. That was before we got our asses kicked (though I don’t think that’s really a fair assessment, and I’ll come back to that). In retrospect, games matter—results should matter. And even though Bama was clearly one of the 2 best teams that year, they didn’t deserve to be there. Oklahoma State did, despite their loss to ISU (which was on a weird Friday the day of a tragic plane crash that killed people in their athletic department—if any team was worthy of a “mulligan,” it was them, especially considering they hadn’t lost to LSU—at home. They simply accomplished more than Bama up to that point).

Back to the game on 1/9/12, clearly we were not moving the ball on offense. But the game was still very close—9-0 going into the 4th, I believe—and we had a Superhero in Tyrann Matheiu that seemed to simply be able able to will us to victory. Both the Arkansas and Georgia games were close until he did his thing, and we wound up blowing both teams out. I understand Miles and his conservative nature just trying to keep it close until Klark Kent inevitably snuck in the phone booth, and Superman came out to save the day. Unfortunately, it didn’t happen. It couldn’t happen. We were beaten by a better team with a better coaching staff.

Our game plan was ultra conservative, not creative, and worthy of criticism, but there was simply no game plan that was beating Bama that night. Our only chance was to have a few Herculean games by a handful of players that we had counted on all year. None were able to do it, and you have to give Saban and staff a ton of credit for putting their guys in a position to prevent them.

Miles didn’t inspire a lot of confidence in the players that night once things turned south. It was clear on tv, and is reinforced when Will Blackwell comes out of his cave every year or 2 to talk about it. I understand his frustration, and the frustration of a lot of fans what wanted Lee to come in, to try something—ANYTHING. My opinion was Lee was terrified of both Bama and the big stage, and we likely would have lost worse than 21-0 if he goes in. But there are no moral victories, and, like many of you, I would have rather lost 42-0 while at least TRYING. But I go back to that dominated as we were getting on the field, the score was still close going I to the 4th. Now, nothing that night indicated anything was going to change, but I do understand Miles waiting for a TM7 punt return, strip sack fumble return, a Mo Claiborne pick 6, etc...Unfortunately, they never came.

And I know it’s absolutely zero consultation to the guys on that ‘11 team, but as a fan, all roads led to Joe and 15-0. Clemson exorcised those demons for me. I know it never will for Will Blackmon and the other players on that 2011 team. And it shouldn’t. But as a fan, I’m groovy, baby.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 8:42 am to
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Getting the two best teams to play is more important than “let’s make sure there isn’t a rematch” imo. the two best teams played for the title. Bama won.


I used to think that. But I think it’s infinitely more important that the 2 most “deserving” teams play, and there’s little doubt OSU was more deserving than Bama that year. Granted, “deserving” is very subjective. But so is “best,” and we are reminded that who we are convinced is “best” is before the games are played are often shown not to be.
Posted by 1999
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 9:05 am to
the only thing worse than miles getting that monster extension a year later was retaining him in 2015.

LSU is a great job, unfortunately the decision makers can sometimes be the program's worst enemy.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 9:23 am to
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the only thing worse than miles getting that monster extension a year later was retaining him in 2015.


You’d rather have Jimbo? Like I said, it wasn’t pretty in the end, but all roads led to O, Joe, and 15-0. I wouldn’t change a thing.
Posted by classof72
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Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 9:37 am to
I guess I'm a whining pussy too--worst coaching job in the history of the NC era. CLM should have been fired-- then
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 9:42 am to
If the shoe was on the other foot we would have been disgusted to see okie lite get the bid over us. There definitely would have been cries of a conspiracy.
Posted by 1999
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 10:36 am to
jimbo was never coming here. LSU was never going to pay him what he wanted.

O has done a fantastic job. he has made me and many others who doubted him look like fools.

but LSU post saban/emmert is a top tier job. not saying any coach would have produced the 2019 season we just saw. but i think a lot of coaches with good offensive systems would succeed here.
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 10:45 am
Posted by sanora
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 10:39 am to
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At this point Will Blackwell just seems like a gigantic whiny pussy.



seriously. it's been 10 years, if it's still bothering him this much he probably needs to see a therapist
Posted by TBoy@LSU
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 10:44 am to
Did Will mentioned how LSU just had one of the greatest seasons in college football history?
Posted by bignic26
West Monroe
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 11:41 am to
Personally that night is an afterthought now. I'm too busy basking in the afterglow of the greatest single season in college football history.
Posted by dukke v
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Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 11:51 am to
That’s the way to look at it.......
2011 was a magical season for LSU. But the UGA game scared me on how we looked on offense. I knew Saban was watching just itching for another chance to play us cause he knew just what kind of game plan he was going to use. Our offense was putrid and JJ looked lost the whole time he was on the field. I doubt putting Lee in would have made much difference. However putting METT in there may have given Bama something to think about.
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 12:17 pm to
I think you're giving Miles too much credit. He is in a position now to really show what kind of coach he is. And he still has recruiting advantages that are rooted in his time with LSU -- name recognition nationally, ties to the South, etc.
Look at the end of that win the Jayhawks had over Texas Tech last year. He literally tried to call a TO after a change of posession. The guy is a basket case in pressure situations at the end of close games.
We'll see if he can get near the level of success Mangino had.
Posted by Steve Janowski
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Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 1:25 pm to
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ProjectP2294

I talked to Will and he will meet you at the Sonic off Perkins and Stuart tonight 8 p.m. sharp!
Posted by drexyl
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 2:21 pm to
Time for Will to move on - that bitterness is just gonna eat him alive.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 2:36 pm to
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There is no doubt, 1/9/12 was a product of horrendous coaching. Thank God Miles is gone.




Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 2:56 pm to
Our daily Hate Les Miles quote has not been reached for the week. Carry on
Posted by Sissidog02
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 3:47 pm to
It was as LSU went home for the Holidays and came back just in time for the game.
Posted by Ole War Skule
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 6:21 pm to
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There is no doubt, 1/9/12 was a product of horrendous coaching. Thank God Miles is gone.


Nope. Had the lazy arse players done what they were supposed to do, bama would not have kicked their arse. The team played like shite. Every play Called works if each player does his job. It’s not ALL on miles. The team played like shite.
Posted by Imember
Houston
Member since May 2019
323 posts
Posted on 6/18/20 at 9:19 pm to
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era of “every game counts” this should have mattered.

Exactly. Impossible for that team to get up emotionally the same way they did the first time that it took everything they had to win that game. On that day, I said the same....it has been proven that every game does not count. The only path from there was a playoff system once it had been shown that you can be allowed a rematch to a team that beat you, for a Championship.
Posted by Dwainwright
Member since Jun 2017
758 posts
Posted on 6/18/20 at 11:44 pm to
How Mettenberger didn't beat out both Lee and Jefferson is absolutely mind boggling. Mett had more talent than both of those 2 combined. He would have been the difference vs Bama in both games. Instead he wasted away on the bench all season.
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