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re: Why not intentionally miss the FT with 0.6 left on the clock?

Posted on 2/24/19 at 10:40 am to
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
23291 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 10:40 am to
It worked out but it almost didnt. They got a nice 12 ft shot off that would of tied the game. Im taking my chances of missing the 2nd FT and leaving them very little time left to catch and shoot
Posted by tigerinridgeland
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2006
7700 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 10:44 am to
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LSU definitely didn’t want to attempt to get a rebound off of a miss in that situation. You don’t want to give the refs an opportunity to call a foul in that situation


Good point. It was a double bonus situation, two shots. A missed FT and foul by LSU on the rebound sends Tennessee to the FT line for two shots to win with 2 shots or tie with one. At that point either make the FT or miss but don’t try for the rebound. I don’t have a problem with Wade’s call.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68549 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 10:45 am to
Will Wade post game:

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He was supposed to miss the second one, but once Tennessee was going to call timeout we figured we might as well have him make it.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
23291 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 10:50 am to
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Good point. It was a double bonus situation, two shots. A missed FT and foul by LSU on the rebound sends Tennessee to the FT line for two shots to win with 2 shots or tie with one. At that point either make the FT or miss but don’t try for the rebound. I don’t have a problem with Wade’s call.






Dude LSU is not fouling in that situation there will be nobody on the line your point is invalid.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
103984 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 10:53 am to
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Dude LSU is not fouling in that situation there will be nobody on the line your point is invalid.

That was addressed in the text that you quoted.
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either make the FT or miss but don’t try for the rebound.
Posted by Dlab2013
Pineville, Luzianna
Member since Jun 2013
9272 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 11:00 am to
“He’s from Louisiana. He loves LSU and he loves it. There’s no doubt he was making those two free throws. He was supposed to miss the second one, but once Tennessee was going to call timeout we figured we might as well have him make it. He was going to miss the second one so they wouldn’t have enough time.”


Per Will Wade
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37561 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 11:31 am to
I was in the stands.
Right before the second attempt, I yelled, “Miss it!!” Everyone looked at me like I was crazy.

I still think he should have.
But you’re not coached to not score points. It’s second nature even from a coaching stand point.
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
32644 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 11:35 am to
‘‘Twas exactly my screaming at the TV
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41697 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:01 pm to
.6 second left, we miss; how much time runs off clock before Tenn secures the ball and calls a TO?

That's the key here.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
23291 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:12 pm to
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6 second left, we miss; how much time runs off clock before Tenn secures the ball and calls a TO?

That's the key here.




time left would of been 0.3 or 0.4
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41697 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:13 pm to
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time left would of been 0.3 or 0.4

And that's enough time to get off a shot, right?

I was for missing, but making it probably was the right thing to do.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61878 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:20 pm to
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And that's enough time to get off a shot, right?


That’s enough for a catch and a shot.
Posted by Stephen1979
Member since Oct 2016
5754 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:25 pm to
The number of posters still questioning Wade is incredible
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23322 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:33 pm to
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The number of posters still questioning Wade is incredible
I'm not necessarily questioning him - just curious what the strategy was. From what i can tell it's a bit of a coin flip as to which way you go with pretty great odds of being successful no matter what you do. scoring with .6 seconds left from full court is highly unlikely in either scenario.

I would personally rather an intentional miss with no one under the basket to remove the possibility of a foul. make them secure a rebound and call timeout. if that process takes .3 seconds or more then game over. if not then worst case you're in the exact same situation as before with 0.6 seconds on the clock and they still have to do a full court pass/catch n shoot. Pretty low risk IMO.

Great win and
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
6758 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 12:35 pm to
WW explains why in the post game press conference. The plan was to miss the second one but he saw Rick Barns was going to call time out so he told Javonte to make it
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22807 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 1:04 pm to
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They would have taken timeout as soon as he rebounded and then you have to trust those refs to know how much time to take off the clock
I thought the rule for inbounds was, if it's 0.3 or less you have to tip, there's no time for catch and shoot. To me, that implies that 0.3 comes off with a catch; thus a rebound.

That then leaves another 0.3 on the inbound play, with the guy unable to run the baseline.

On the one hand, you can say- put a rebounder on the line and try to kill the clock with a tip. But then you run the real risk of a foul (in a 1 pt game). Safest play is what happened, that pass was incredibly good. Probably about as unlikely as a 3 quarter court shot.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
36981 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 1:33 pm to
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.6 second left, we miss; how much time runs off clock before Tenn secures the ball and calls a TO?

That's the key here.
I wouldn't trust the refs to not call the timeout immediately when the Tennessee player touched it, even if they didn't field it cleanly. Would have likely set the clock at .5 seconds.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
23291 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 7:17 pm to
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WW explains why in the post game press conference. The plan was to miss the second one but he saw Rick Barns was going to call time out so he told Javonte to make it




Yea im not buying his strategy they going to call a timeout wether LSU makes or misses the FT. My point is if they miss time will come off the clock and the chance for a catch and shoot greatly decreases if you miss the 2nd FT. I will take my chances with 0.4 left on clock and they cant run the baseline than 0.6 on clock and they can run baseline.
Posted by dadof4grads
Gretna, LA
Member since Mar 2013
627 posts
Posted on 2/24/19 at 8:12 pm to
I'm wondering if a coach can tell the ref they want a time out upon rebound of the missed free throw. If so, on a clean rebound, maybe no time runs off the clock.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 2/24/19 at 8:24 pm to
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Sometimes overthinking and getting cute can cause more problems than playing the odds.



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