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re: Why No Hating On The Defense?
Posted on 1/1/13 at 10:10 pm to ironsides
Posted on 1/1/13 at 10:10 pm to ironsides
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4th and 16 or 4th and 25 who gives a flying frick???? The D lost the game for us right there. You can't let them f'ing convert on that.
The LSU defense was on the field for almost the entire fourth quarter against a very good Clemson offense, and they were gassed. In the fourth quarter alone, Clemson ran 39 plays to LSU's 6. So, yeah, the defense was worn out at the end of the game and was unable to make one last stop that would have saved the day.
Here's the point. Clemson's defense was 74th coming into the game while allowing on average more than 400 yards of offense. To think that LSU would run up just 219 yards against that unit, have 7 three and outs, and then be begging for its defense to bail it out at the end is all the evidence football minds need to see that the offense underperformed terribly. LSU's defense played well enough to win the game, the offense not so much.
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Posted on 1/1/13 at 10:14 pm to mtntiger
Nevermind
This post was edited on 1/1/13 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 1/1/13 at 10:17 pm to YMCA
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Why No Hating On The Defense?
Truth ain't pretty.
1) Florida-L
Defense couldn't stop the run and got gashed. Florida only threw like 12 passes and went the last few minutes of the game without throwing a pass.
2) Alabama-L
We had the lead and the defense played the patented soft coverage and let Bama march right down the field for the win.
3) Clemson-L
Once again, we had a lead and the defense failed to close out the game.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 10:22 pm to Mohican
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Even considering that and the fact that we DO NOT have an offense, we had every opportunity to win and lost by one fricking point.
Worth repeating.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 10:25 pm to ByteMe
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Even considering that and the fact that we DO NOT have an offense, we had every opportunity to win and lost by one fricking point.
I'll repeat it too. We all spout off about having a bad arse defense and Chavis is beast. Well when you have a lead at the end of a game, a good defense steps up for that final drive and makes a stop.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 10:26 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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Truth ain't pretty.
1) Florida-L
Defense couldn't stop the run and got gashed. Florida only threw like 12 passes and went the last few minutes of the game without throwing a pass.
2) Alabama-L
We had the lead and the defense played the patented soft coverage and let Bama march right down the field for the win.
3) Clemson-L
Once again, we had a lead and the defense failed to close out the game.
1) Offense put up 6 points. 6 points. But yea, let's definitely blame the defense because giving up 14 points is an insurmountable lead in college football. What team could possible score more than 14 points to win? I mean, if we had the dominant offense of a Bowling Green then we could at least have come out with a tie, but, well, man dare not fly too high.
2) Yup, this sure sucked. Terrible play by the secondary there, and just bad scheme all around. The offense let Bama off the hook multiple times and Miles left points on the board with stupid play calls, but the defense definitely takes a share of the blame.
3) We lead that the OFFENSE fails to close out the game. Repeatedly. The defense gave them the ball over and over and the offense couldn't do anything. Defense doesn't close out games, offense does. When your defense gives you that many chances to win (2 turnovers inside the opponents 30 yard line!) and you return the favor by leaving them on the field for 100 plays THAT is what you get.
The defense had some specific problems defending the pass, especially late in the year. The offense was a fricking tire fire. There are different levels of blame assigned because the problems are on a completely different scale.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 10:26 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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Truth ain't pretty.
1) Florida-L
Defense couldn't stop the run and got gashed. Florida only threw like 12 passes and went the last few minutes of the game without throwing a pass.
2) Alabama-L
We had the lead and the defense played the patented soft coverage and let Bama march right down the field for the win.
3) Clemson-L
Once again, we had a lead and the defense failed to close out the game.
I'll definitely cut them slack against FLA cause the Offense really didn't do shite that game but agree on the other two.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 10:30 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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3) Clemson-L
Once again, we had a lead and the defense failed to close out the game.
Not going back to look at the stats for Florida or Bama but we had 9 first downs, we were 3-13 on 3rd downs and had 219 total yards against a team that gives up over 400 on average and does not play in the SEC. We lost by 1 point and you blame the defense?
Posted on 1/1/13 at 10:35 pm to ByteMe
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We lost by 1 point and you blame the defense?
Sure do. Not totally. But they were part of the problem and deserve blame. 445 yards of offense allowed. This is supposed to be one of the best defenses in the country. Hopkins had nearly 200 yards receiving. 4th and 16, the D lets them convert and march down the field. Step up for 1 drive and get a stop. I agree that the offense was dog shite last night but the game came down to what is supposed to be LSU's strength. They failed to get a stop at the most important time of the game.
This post was edited on 1/1/13 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 1/1/13 at 11:14 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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They failed to get a stop at the most important time of the game.
They were wore out.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 11:24 pm to ByteMe
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They were wore out.
Yep, and they had had a 1:17 break from being on the field. Miles said "We had to throw the ball" when it was 2:47 left in the game. We pick up 8 on the first play, hurry up to pass at 2nd and 2, incomplete then pass again incomplete. Clemson didn't have to burn a time out because we did the clock stopping for them.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 11:29 pm to ironsides
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The D lost the game for us right there. You can't let them f'ing convert on that.
While I agree that the D failed at a very important time in the game, the O going 3 and out right before that failure sure didn't help.
In a close game that you lose as time runs out, there is always plenty of blame to go around.
shite happens and it happened to us 2 times.
Such is a fans life.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 11:32 pm to los angeles tiger
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Clemson didn't have to burn a time out because we did the clock stopping for them.
Exactly. This game was lost because of offensive coaching, not defense.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 11:33 pm to mtntiger
The defense played their hearts out. They were out there for 75% of the game.
That's why.
That's why.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 11:34 pm to ByteMe
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Exactly. This game was lost because of lack of offensive coaching, not defense.
yep
hardly any adjustments... 4 sacks in the 1st quarter, and it takes the staff damn near the middle of the 3rd quarter to figure out that vadal was getting pwned
Posted on 1/1/13 at 11:40 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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The D lost the game for us right there. You can't let them f'ing convert on that.
Are you really saying that one play cost us the game? Seriously?
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While I agree that the D failed at a very important time in the game, the O going 3 and out right before that failure sure didn't help.
Just like a fumble in the 4th quarter when you're going in for the winning score is the reason you lost by one point. The extra point you missed in the 1st quarter had nothing to do with it.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 11:50 pm to mtntiger
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There is a lot of anger being directed at the offense on this board, but little to no mention of the defense. Why not?
If you don't know the answer, you are an idiot.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:00 am to ByteMe
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Are you really saying that one play cost us the game?
That wasn't my quote, but I thought that 4th and 16 conversion by Clemson was pretty damn big.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:03 am to la_birdman
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The defense played their hearts out. They were out there for 75% of the game.
That's why.
They were worn down in the 4th. We saw the same thing happen vs UF earlier this year.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 12:04 am to mtntiger
The offense shitting the bed is what tired the defense. The offense directly effects the defense. I won't lie Clemson was good offensively, but the point is we couldn't get our defense off the field, which happens a lot.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 12:06 am
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