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re: Why isn't Kelly getting more criticism for end of game clock management?

Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:53 pm to
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:53 pm to
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Why isn't Kelly getting more criticism for end of game clock management?


Because we handled the clock fine.

Score and leave little to no time on clock… we did exactly what we needed to do.

You’re reaching if you think that was clock mismanagement. Because it wasn’t.
This post was edited on 9/24/23 at 10:45 pm
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 9:59 pm to
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Just because we’ve seen worse doesn’t mean we have to accept bad decisions without criticism


I’m not doing that. I agreed with running the clock down. My whole point is that it wasn’t a colossal frick up like we’ve seen at LSU and other places.

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That would be even more concerning


Not really. Coaches screw things up all the time, even great ones. Andy Reid has multiple super bowls and is notoriously bad with the clock. It happens.

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Maybe not with the clock but his game management in the first quarter vs FSU going for it in 4th rather taking the easy 3 was very questionable


Different discussion
Posted by burreauxxx
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 10:52 pm to
5-seconds and a squib kick?

I can live with that
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 11:09 pm to
It was actually near-perfect clock management.
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 11:26 pm to
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It was actually near-perfect clock management.


Lmao no it wasn’t. It was incredibly idiotic. I get taking the first timeout on 1st and goal to do some simple math, but after that they should have been in victory formation to kneel out the clock. Taking the TO after 2nd and goal was Les Miles like idiotic. Why risk Daniels tripping or a bad snap to throw the ball out of the end zone to burn a few more seconds?

They easily could have kicked with 2 seconds left
Posted by LSUKAT
Birmingham, AL.
Member since Dec 2007
1429 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 11:48 pm to
Well, one I remember was LSU Vs Kentucky- called the Bluegrass Miracle.
We kicked the field goal with 7 or 8 seconds on the clock. If Les Miles was there as coach he would have lost the game. He never managed the clock and rarely knew time was running out. Remember Auburn Vs LSU 2007, we were behind and only needed a field goal to win he called for Flynn to throw a pass into end zone with about 12 - 15 seconds left on clock. Sideline coaches were hollering at Miles, time time was by running out, kick a field goal. Flynn threw a pass left end zone to Demetrius Byrd with an Auburn defender literally hanging all over his body. Flynn threw the perfect pass and Byrd was able to catch it with Auburn defensive player hanging onto Byrd’s whole body. A miraculous play. I was there, Tiger stadium was the loudest I had ever heard while inside stadium. Auburn I don’t believe had any time left, game over LSU wins. Thrilling win.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26895 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 12:00 am to
There was nothing “idiotic” about the final sequence. If that’s how you see it, I don’t know what to tell you… must suck for you watching games with that mindset.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75273 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 1:00 am to
probably because we won and it didn’t matter and they had like 4 seconds to throw a 70 yard TD
Posted by McGruff21
Member since Aug 2023
372 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 1:47 am to
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clock. :59 left. 2nd down at the 4 - short run (takes longer than kneeling). Kelly lets the clock run down to 1 and calls 3rd TO. 11 seconds left.


You don’t call TO after the 2nd down run. You run another kneel down on 3rd down, then call TO with 2 secs left. Then kick walkoff FG.
Posted by LSUDobber
Hammond, LA
Member since Jun 2004
895 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 6:34 am to
Wasn't Les Miles level bad but wasn't great either
Posted by fairweatherfans
Member since Sep 2018
2045 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 6:58 am to
BECAUSE WE WON...what is more important than that !
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
9889 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:06 am to
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the fact that there was still time left on the clock at all after the field goal is pretty embarrassing for a D1 coach


This is a stupid nit picky take. Getting a field Goal with 5 seconds left is a very well executed time management on the last drive.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
450318 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:18 am to
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Because we handled the clock fine.

Score and leave little to no time on clock… we did exactly what we needed to do.

With a simple addition of intelligence to the decision-making, we could have left Arky with no time.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
450318 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:19 am to
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5-seconds and a squib kick?

I can live with that

Why not leave them with 0 seconds left?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
450318 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:20 am to
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There was nothing “idiotic” about the final sequence

Uh, yes there was. Calling the final TO the way Kelly did was idiotic.

Leaving the ball on the wrong hash for our K was also idiotic.

He could have controlled both variables.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
450318 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:21 am to
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BECAUSE WE WON...what is more important than that !

Results-oriented thinking is how idiots on here defended Miles and Orgeron for years.

Process-oriented thinking is how Saban builds his teams.

Which has shown to be a better long-term strategy?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
450318 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:22 am to
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Getting a field Goal with 5 seconds left is a very well executed time management on the last drive.



What would be better:

1. leaving them with 5 seconds and kicking from the wrong hash

2. leaving them with 0 seconds and kicking from the correct hash
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
63208 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:26 am to
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SlowFlowPro


Forget it. It’s a futile battle. You are arguing with a bunch of morons. The collective football knowledge on this board has dropped drastically in the last few months.
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
9889 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:51 am to
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wrong hash


You don't know what the wrong hash is. Unless Ramos told you himself. I would also have thought the right hash was the preferred hash but some kickers prefer the left hash, so you cannot say what the correct or wrong hash is.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
63208 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:57 am to
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You don't know what the wrong hash is. Unless Ramos told you himself. I would also have thought the right hash was the preferred hash but some kickers prefer the left hash, so you cannot say what the correct or wrong hash is.


Yes we can, we have about 90 examples of data to show us. (I’m guessing we have scored about 90 tds in the last two seasons)

When a team scores a td, the offense has the option to place the ball anywhere from hash to hash for the point after attempt. Damian Ramos has never in his two years at LSU asked to move the ball to a hash to kick the extra point. When kicking a very short field goal, the hash is a tough angle.

We kicked the final field goal from the same distance as an extra point. The ball should have been downed in the middle of the field for the easiest kick.
This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 7:58 am
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