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Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:12 pm to Madking
Which "side" would you say I'm on?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:12 pm to tygerphan
quote:So if someone does what is essentially considered impossible, people that doubted it would happen have to eat a ridiculous amount of crow.
Not just unforeseen, impossible to many who post here. Including you. So, if he does the impossible, the crow you MFers will be eating will be hilarious.
This board gets dumber by the day.
Btw, no one has rooted against CoachMc nor want to fail. But since he’s 14-40 in the SEC, shouldn’t all the loudmouths like yourself that proclaimed we have a real coach now, be eating a truck load of crow? Easily to this point you’ve been proven to be totally fricking incorrect and lost any credibility in listening to your opinions.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:12 pm to tygerphan
Pretty obvious
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:16 pm to RIPMachoMan
You’re an idiot. Grow up.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:25 pm to FriedBolognaBiscuit
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Do they really think top end talent wants to come to BR
could've stopped there and proved your point.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:57 pm to drizztiger
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loudmouths
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drizztiger
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Number of Posts: 41529
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like yourself that proclaimed we have a real coach now
If you can provide one post from me that says anything of this nature, I'll ban myself.
Spoiler alert...you can't because I've never said such. McMahon's tenure at LSU has been a failure. I just don't drone on about it or make silly statements like "he'll never win here".
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:04 pm to tygerphan
The old post count rebuttal.
~42k posts in 18 years, omg! That’s like 6 posts a day, omg! Guess I need to stop posting in game threads and get ready to eat that hilarious crow.
I’ve known you on this board for a long time and always asked you why even pretend to be an LSU fan? Most here that pay attention have known for the longest time that anytime you chime in on MBB, it’s not from a fans perspective. That’s now, under Wade, going back to CJJ.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:24 pm to FriedBolognaBiscuit
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Do they really think top end talent wants to come to BR and play for McMahon?
I mean, the reason for increasing the NIL is increasing the talent right?
I love the idea of increasing the NIL, but with McMahon, I don’t believe you will see even an average ROI. The team will be better, but not as good as it should be
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:41 am to Tiger Ugly
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Yes, my first push back on this was that the head coach at LSU for men's basketball has to be the best fundraiser out there for his program. I don't think anyone believes CMM can or will be good at this and if the numbers are correct he was not in the past - and probably wasn't really much involved.
Yup.
Imagine McMahon lobbying boosters for NIL backing. Now imagine Bruce Pearl, Todd Golden, and John Calipari. Hell, Imagine Kim Mulkey.
Woodward botched the hire so bad. He is asking McMahon to do things he's never done. At Murray everything was in place. Yet, Woodward gave him a 7 year contract.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:51 am to Mats86
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I mean, the reason for increasing the NIL is increasing the talent right?
I love the idea of increasing the NIL, but with McMahon, I don’t believe you will see even an average ROI. The team will be better, but not as good as it should be
Unfortunately, I think LSU is going to be in a spot where they will be forced to overpay for the "better" players they think is the magic elixer and I don't know if even with the (purported) increase in funds that will be enough to win those recruiting battles. Yes, money talks. But there is still recruiting involved when multiple schools are offering similar money. You can bet rival schools will be telling the players already on LSU's roster, as well as potential transfers, that (a) LSU is a losing program (accurate) and (b) McMahon is a lame duck if he doesn't win (probably accurate). The significantly better players McMahon purportedly needs to even just be competitive in the SEC are going to be in demand. If they have multiple good options it's hard to see LSU being at the top of the list unless they have some sort of tie to LSU and/or Louisiana. You can only sell "hope and change" for so long. McMahon has coached nearly 100 games at LSU now. There is a record he has to defend now. One that isn't very good.
That's why I remain skeptical about the "increased NIL support." I continue to believe LSU simply can't raise the funds right now to make a change. It would cost ~$10M to buy out McMahon. Then you have to tack on another $1M - $2M to buyout the staff. Then you have to commit to a new HC. Probably $3.5M for his salary next year. Then another $1M - $2M for his staff. He's also going to expect NIL money. That's likely putting you close to a $20M commitment. Of course, that number only decreases by ~$2M if you wait to fire McMahon next year.
I think Woodward/LSU didn't think things would go so bad this season and they weren't internally preparing to have to realistically consider firing McMahon after this year. That means they weren't trying to marshal the funds to make a change at the end of this season and they spent all of their time pushing for a huge commitment for the upcoming football season. Unfortunately, that now means they are just "punting" on next year's basketball season. They'll hope things will get better, but know they need to start getting the money together now so they can make a change at the end of next season if necessary.
Personally, I don't think that is a good plan. If something is inevitable (like firing McMahon) you may as well just do it now. In total, LSU is not "saving" much by waiting until the end of next season to fire McMahon. In fact, they may be incurring higher opportunity costs by missing out on potential hires this season.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 8:56 am to Alt26
TL;DR
Money talks, bullshite walks. If you outbid Duke then you will get that player, period, end of discussion.
Recruiting, especially in basketball, doesnt add up to dry shite. Thats a jagged pill for fans but its the truth in 2025.
Money talks, bullshite walks. If you outbid Duke then you will get that player, period, end of discussion.
Recruiting, especially in basketball, doesnt add up to dry shite. Thats a jagged pill for fans but its the truth in 2025.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:09 am to FriedBolognaBiscuit
The dumb just get dumber
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:12 am to Lakeboy7
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TL;DR
Great discussion.
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Money talks, bullshite walks. If you outbid Duke then you will get that player, period, end of discussion.
Duke is fishing in the deepest water. It would take a war chest for LSU to outbid their targets. One that I suspect McMahon doesn't have. Still, even if LSU could get close there is recruiting involved. The player has to decide "do I want to take $25k - $50K less, but go to Duke and get the exposure/development that will put me in position to take the next step? Or do I want to take a little bit more money to play far out of the spotlight at LSU where my potential pro stock is likely to go down while constantly losing?"
Yes, if LSU offers significantly more than Duke, UNC, Kentucky, etc, they likely get the player. But here in reality we know that is unlikely to be the case. Best case scenario is LSU can get "close" with the money...which is when some degree of old fashioned salesmanship (recruiting) gets involved. Unfortunately, McMahon now goes into most of those battles with one arm tied behind his back.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:13 am to tygerphan
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Which "side" would you say I'm on?
The side of a 3 and 15 SEC coach that is coming back for his 4th year.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:16 am to Lakeboy7
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Money talks, bullshite walks. If you outbid Duke then you will get that player, period, end of discussion.
Bull frickin shite.
These dudes also wanna play pro ball, at this point, LSU is not the answer to getting drafted.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 11:24 am to rutiger
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Bull frickin shite. These dudes also wanna play pro ball, at this point, LSU is not the answer to getting drafted.
Exactly. Duke/whoever is going to match or outbid LSU on elite players
McMahon has nothing to sell recruits/transfers.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 11:34 am to FriedBolognaBiscuit
They're Lying to themselves.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 11:51 am to Alt26
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McMahon is a lame duck if he doesn't win
I kind of wish I had all the information available to them when they made that decision.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:45 pm to rutiger
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LSU is not the answer to getting drafted
sure it is. a sufficiently talented player will get drafted from LSU just the same as duke.
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