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Posted on 6/30/09 at 9:38 am to 756
TJ is in trouble considering the Rant is already after him. He's been on the job just over one year, he's won an SEC Championship and people are already questioning him. Johnson recruited very well at both Nevada and Stanford, I'm not sure why he'd all of the sudden start dropping the ball at LSU. I guess it should be no surprise considering Coach Mainieri was second guessed all season en route to winning the national title. Message boards were probably the worst thing that could have happened for coaches and players.
This post was edited on 6/30/09 at 9:40 am
Posted on 6/30/09 at 9:42 am to 756
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we are losing in state players
I have no problem with this...he'll get his guys, don't worry.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 9:56 am to Bad Cat
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LSU better accept Brady-like success in basketball
I think Brady-like success is acceptable as long as John Brady is not involved. A coach with similar success who was not an arse and horrible representative of LSU would still be at LSU.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 10:05 am to BhamTigah
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I think Brady-like success is acceptable as long as John Brady is not involved. A coach with similar success who was not an arse and horrible representative of LSU would still be at LSU.
Also, a little more consistency would be nice. There is no denying that Brady was good for a nice run every 4-5 years. However, there was very little substance in between. In his 11 years at LSU, he advanced past the second round twice. He never made three straight NCAA tournament appearances and never won NCAA tournament games in consecutive seasons. John did some good things at LSU, but I also think there are attainable goals at a school like LSU. Only time will tell if Johnson is able to bring some much needed stability to the program.
This post was edited on 6/30/09 at 10:06 am
Posted on 6/30/09 at 10:10 am to Stromile Swift
LSU should be able to be a consistent tourney team, only missing the tournament every few years. The recruits will come
Posted on 6/30/09 at 10:31 am to TigerBait1127
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I think Brady-like success is acceptable as long as John Brady is not involved. A coach with similar success who was not an arse and horrible representative of LSU would still be at LSU.
Dale was able to lead LSU to ten straight consecutive tournament apperances which is incredible at a school other than UCLA, Duke, Kentucky, UNC, etc. I'm not sure if I'll ever see that happen again at LSU in my lifetime, but I do think LSU could manage to make the tournament 7 out of 10 years.
This post was edited on 6/30/09 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/30/09 at 10:40 am to BhamTigah
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I think Brady-like success is acceptable as long as John Brady is not involved.
Its not acceptable. His record in SEC play is as follows:
2-14
4-12
12-4
2-14
6-10
8-8
8-8
12-4
14-2
5-11
1-6
That is 3 seasons out of 11 above .500 in league play. Piss poor. What we will experience under TJ is a great deal more success than that and he will forge the relationships and pull in the recruits needed to sustain it.
This post was edited on 6/30/09 at 10:42 am
Posted on 6/30/09 at 12:38 pm to 756
Its amazing some of these questions people come up with. If some people would just take a step back and look at the picture as a whole then maybe they will see the forest. Let's see, one of the top players in the country narrowed his choices to LSU and Clemson before choosing Clemson only because he has ESTABLISHED a relationship the with coach is the basic reason for choosing them, yet TJ got in late and within a month of actually recruiting this kid hard, made it to the final 2. I say, i'm gonna stick with TJ, because if he can cover that much ground in just a few months i'm gonna play the odds and say he will pull some top recruits in the future.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 1:01 pm to Stromile Swift
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I do think LSU could manage to make the tournament 7 out of 10 years.
I agree, but my point was that Brady would not have been fired (yet) if he was not such an arse. He would have been given more rope so soon after a final four if he had any friends in the athletics department.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 1:12 pm to Stromile Swift
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TJ is in trouble considering the Rant is already after him. He's been on the job just over one year, he's won an SEC Championship and people are already questioning him. Johnson recruited very well at both Nevada and Stanford, I'm not sure why he'd all of the sudden start dropping the ball at LSU. I guess it should be no surprise considering Coach Mainieri was second guessed all season en route to winning the national title. Message boards were probably the worst thing that could have happened for coaches and players.
I don't think I could agree with anything more on this board.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 1:19 pm to ColtsTigers
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you douche. There aren't going to be 3 future NBA stars ever again in successive years in Baton Rouge like there was when Brady was coach.
Your premise is flawed.
How many future NBA players from Baton Rouge played on Brady's first SEC Championship?
Who were ranked higher as prospects as seniors in HS, Galloway and Willams or Temple and Thomas?
Posted on 6/30/09 at 1:26 pm to 756
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maybe brady sucked as a coach but he was always handed recruits thanks to collis temple, dale brown recruited- we are losing in state players -
Posted on 6/30/09 at 8:17 pm to BRfit
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2-14
4-12
12-4
2-14
6-10
8-8
8-8
12-4
14-2
5-11
1-6
Posted on 6/30/09 at 10:01 pm to BR Tiger
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Seems Brady was sent a message from the Athletic Department administration through CT2
He has helped us in recruiting no doubt, but he has a sense of entitlement with the program because of it that far outreaches what it warrants IMHO.
He thought himself the spokesperson during the coaching search and I'm sure the real decision-makers were cringing with each quote, as he was ever so happy to talk to the press at the drop of a hat.
I'm still aghast at his "LSU needs to hire either Johnny Jones or Butch Pierre. Any other hire and we will be down for years".
All I could say at that was....WTF?
Then he all but takes credit for the Trent hire after that gem of a comment.
Tread carefully Trent.
This post was edited on 6/30/09 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 6/30/09 at 10:20 pm to tiger20
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It is irrelevant where the player is from. The point is the relative rankings on the recruiting boards.
tiger20, you are really out of it. I know there's not much to do in Arkansas, but with John at the bar, you really should find some other activities besides monitoring LSU message boards.
To correct your statement, the point is wins and losses. Not player rankings. Coaches shouldn't recruit on player rankings. JB used to look at the local rankings and go after the top few instead of determining the players that fit into the system and will stick around, or that will have a real impact in terms of production and...wins and losses. Player rankings are meaningless if they leave the program due to grades, character issues, or because they have issues with the coach. Unfortunatly JB never understood anything other than going after the big fish.
TJ is being very selective. If things don't work out in several years, certainly not the decade JB had to work with, then things will need to change. But simply based on player development and the attitude change, I don't think we'll have to worry about making excuses for another era of mediocrity.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:06 pm to 756
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it seems gone are the days in any sport when a coach will be given 4-5 years to develop a program
Exactly what I was thinking. What a dipshit...
Posted on 6/30/09 at 11:30 pm to Genghis Khan
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2-14
4-12
First two years after taking over a moribund program coming off of 4 straight losing years
12-4
Was able to recruit a Sweet 16 team in the narrow window between hire date and NCAA probation
2-14
6-10
Impacted by draconian NCAA sanctions and loss of Stromile Swift and Kedrick Brown to early entry to the NBA
8-8
Beginning to emerge from NCAA sanctions and made NCAA tourney
8-8
Were rolling at 17-4 and 7-3 SEC when lloreda was hurt in big road win at Florida
12-4
14-2
Began to emerge as SEC power and then Final Four
5-11
Only truly poor season relative to circumstances
1-6
Injury marred season with Taz lost for the year and Chris Johnson out for almost half of SEC campaign and Q missing half the year with an injury.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 12:29 am to Stromile Swift
The SEC is all about football and baseball. It will never become a meca for basketball.
J.T. will do just fine if he is given time to build a winner, but don't expect LSU to become a perennial power. Louisiana does not produce enough talent, and LSU does not have enough money to keep a coach who can demand Two Million Dollars.
J.T. will do just fine if he is given time to build a winner, but don't expect LSU to become a perennial power. Louisiana does not produce enough talent, and LSU does not have enough money to keep a coach who can demand Two Million Dollars.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 4:09 am to 756
SEC title mean anything to you?
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