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re: Why Can't Today's DCs Adapt to the New Offenses?
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:37 am to Madking
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:37 am to Madking
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leaving his top corner on an island vs the 2nd WR instead of the #1 guy then running all his traps and doubles towards the #1 WR
This is exactly what happened on the Eli Ricks pick-six. He was in the nickel slot and his entire purpose for that the lay was to jump the slant route while the blitz and pass rush got home.
Less time to throw means a forced throw without knowledge of the trap being sprung.
I am going to catch hate for this, but we were not doing that under Aranda. Firing Pelini may actually be O’s downfall unless he finds a diamond in the rough somewhere.
We had half of our DL depth opt out or transfer, and our safeties were absolute trash thanks to that now-fired/retired coach. There is only so much you can do with no safety play, no DL depth, and injuries across the board at CB all year.
Where was the consistency supposed to come from? The LBs and CBs can only do so much...
That is the only reason I was in support of Bo Pelini. It was easy to see that it wasn’t just him, and he can’t coach every position, nor can ANYONE coach depth into his squad.
It will be interesting to see who we hire as safeties coach, who is back/emerges on the DL, and how that affects what we all think of whoever the new DC is.
This post was edited on 12/22/20 at 12:39 am
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:44 am to DByrd2
I think guys like Roy and Ojulari are going to shine in just about any scheme, so will those corners. I’m not ready to give up on the safeties yet because all season long I noticed teams out flanking us in formation almost all of the time. Those guys were never in good position from the snap. Look Pelini’s ppg allowed for a decade and change has been over 27ppg so it’s hard for me to blame our players when he’s been having these type results for a long time. A good hire will highlight these guys not diminish them so let’s keep our fingers crossed we get the right coach this time.
This post was edited on 12/22/20 at 12:45 am
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:49 am to Madking
I’d like to have been in the room with the safeties and their coach to hear what was said. I haven’t seen a single position group as bad as they were this year at any level.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:54 am to DByrd2
It really is hard to believe how bad it was. I’ve never seen anything like it at LSU.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:57 am to AlwysATgr
Aranda was right with that “cage rush” stuff. Ability to rush 3, occasionally get pressure, contain a mobile QB, and have enough help on the back end.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 1:09 am to mostbesttigerfanever
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Aranda was right with that “cage rush” stuff. Ability to rush 3, occasionally get pressure, contain a mobile QB, and have enough help on the back end.
Yep. Need someone with his same philosophy. Doesn't necessarily need to be a 3-4 guy
Posted on 12/22/20 at 1:11 am to mostbesttigerfanever
Arandas defense wasn’t aggressive but it was a contain style of defense. Really only one guy rushing the passer which was the Buck and even then he would drop sometimes
Posted on 12/22/20 at 1:55 am to Madking
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The most obvious change was leaving his top corner on an island vs the 2nd WR instead of the #1 guy then running all his traps and doubles towards the #1 WR. The idea is that you can’t really stop the elite players the way people used to but if you can take away everyone else you can narrow your plan and mitigate the damage
Honestly, I’ve been doing that on madden for like 12 years. Put my 2nd or third best corner on the best receiver and double him up all game with the safety over the top. This isn’t some genius idea.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 2:30 am to AlwysATgr
My theory: there aren't many naturally gifted DBs. Most have a learning curve and by the time they develop the skills they've graduated. Meanwhile you can teach a guy with good speed and good hands to run patterns pretty easily. Go 3 or 4 wide and find the matchup against the one who's inexperienced or not very athletic.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 3:35 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
The best talent gets put on the offense. We need the Chinese Bandits with a attitude attack mind set . Instead of running around looking like they are lost .
Posted on 12/22/20 at 3:40 am to AlwysATgr
The rules. Even Saban has acknowledged that defense does not win games in today's world.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 4:45 am to The Pirate King
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The rules favor offenses mostly
not just the rules, but enforcement too.
lots of times there are linemen run blocking and beyond 3y downfield when an RPO gets dumped off. reading and reacting to "run" fricks up your pass defense.
not reacting to it leaves you somewhere between and not ready for either.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 5:02 am to AlwysATgr
Because they allow offensive linemen to hold and they allow receivers to push off.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 5:13 am to WhereDaGoldAt
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Insane how fast people forget Arranda
I do think Aranda has a good philosophy for today’s game, but let’s not act like he didn’t get torched as well.
There were many games with Aranda where we simply had no pass rush at all and had just bad defense. Last year our D was getting torched by Vandy and Ole Miss in the running game. We had very similar issues with Aranda and frankly our D last year was bad until late in the season.
Defense today is harder than it’s ever been.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:25 am to AlwysATgr
Because an offense with a good QB and adequate protection cannot be stopped. If you look back... even a Saban said this in Sept or October. Even Bama has given up large yardage and points the last couple of years.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:28 am to AlwysATgr
Legal pick plays. Clemson changed the game when they beat Bama for the Natty using those plays. Suddenly everyone incorporated it into their offense. It's an incredibly difficult play to defend.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:40 am to AlwysATgr
A lot of it has to do with personnel.
If a team has even a halfway decent QB, then it going to have success. Most defenses are lucky to have one good cover guy.
Put 4 WRs on the field and someone is going to be open. Add a TE and it's a nightmare.
DCs have to weigh whether to rush three and drop right in zone, go base and hope the defense covers or bring heat and hope to force a mistake by the QB.
As another poster stated, offenses are at a distinct advantage today. Simply too easy to create mismatches at the college level with huge talent differences between teams. In the NFL, those differences are minimized by limited rosters and drafts.
If a team has even a halfway decent QB, then it going to have success. Most defenses are lucky to have one good cover guy.
Put 4 WRs on the field and someone is going to be open. Add a TE and it's a nightmare.
DCs have to weigh whether to rush three and drop right in zone, go base and hope the defense covers or bring heat and hope to force a mistake by the QB.
As another poster stated, offenses are at a distinct advantage today. Simply too easy to create mismatches at the college level with huge talent differences between teams. In the NFL, those differences are minimized by limited rosters and drafts.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 2:54 pm to mtntiger
So many good posts and points made throughout this thread.
But I don't think personnel explains it. There has always been personnel advantages. I think the rules are a factor.
I also think that most of the older school DCs are using conventional approaches while the offenses have become very unconventional.
We have better success than most because of a handful of talented players that we've used in unconventional ways, Honey Badger, Jamal, and Delpit.
And maybe Chavis was actually on to something by overloading the D with speed.
But I don't think personnel explains it. There has always been personnel advantages. I think the rules are a factor.
I also think that most of the older school DCs are using conventional approaches while the offenses have become very unconventional.
We have better success than most because of a handful of talented players that we've used in unconventional ways, Honey Badger, Jamal, and Delpit.
And maybe Chavis was actually on to something by overloading the D with speed.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 3:15 pm to Syntax
Def more so to do with rule changes. There is no fear from QB's and wide receivers. Use to have to be a bold man to go a cross the middle or threw into traffic. Now you can't even touch the WR (even after they catch it) or it's a flag.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 6:15 pm to AlwysATgr
Because they haven't studied the game as well as the experts on this site who have all the solutions.
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