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Why Can't Today's DCs Adapt to the New Offenses?

Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:40 pm
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:40 pm
Has any one figured it out?
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57575 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:41 pm to
The rules favor offenses mostly.
Posted by Dlab2013
Pineville, Luzianna
Member since Jun 2013
9219 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:43 pm to
I guess you could have a 4-7 D and take your chances.......but guys like Max will run for 10 every snap.........
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69240 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:46 pm to
too much talent and development from younger age on offensive side of ball

the speed, finesse, routes, etc
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24121 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:51 pm to
I think we are hitting a tipping point of sorts. We may start seeing creativity defensively that creates issues...it just hasn’t happened yet. I think we are hitting a stride with offenses that someone will break from the traditional defensive mode.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162190 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:55 pm to
The problem is the offense dictates everything personnel wise. This has of course always been the case but the level of skill at the QB position now for kids coming out of highschool had increased to the point where offensive coaches can push the envelope and maximize offensive production.
Posted by Coach C
Member since Jan 2008
441 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:55 pm to
It's an interesting point I'd like to discuss with a modern defensive coordinator. These shifts ALWAYS are associated with rules changes which seem subtle but can have major implications to creative minds. I know one is the change in the way linemen blocking down field is called which greatly effected the horizontal passing game and the read option game
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60246 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:57 pm to
It's impossible to stop if the OL can go 3 yards downfield and you're still allowed to throw the ball. The NFL only allows 1 yard. The RPO can't be stopped routinely with these rules.
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
9255 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:57 pm to
I’ll tell you this... given the choice between offense and defense, I would never choose defense as a player or a coach in today’s game. It’s almost like defense is set up to fail.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16368 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 11:59 pm to
We (LSU fans) have probably seen as much success against them as any school.

If it was just a matter of talent Bama would be doing it. But Saban has no clue.



Posted by BatonrougeCajun
Somewhere in Texas
Member since Feb 2008
6057 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:02 am to
Once spreading it out and going fast became the standard instead of being radical it allowed for a rapid evolution that makes things easy for a qb and impossible for a defense. The addition of RPOs made being a shutdown defense that allows 14 or less per game pretty much impossible
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66397 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:03 am to
quote:

It's impossible to stop if the OL can go 3 yards downfield and you're still allowed to throw the ball.


This. Defenses use to be able to read the O-Line and crash the line of scrimmage on running plays. They no longer can.
Posted by WhereDaGoldAt
Richmond, VA
Member since Aug 2017
376 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:05 am to
Insane how fast people forget Arranda
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47601 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:07 am to
You have to try and copy what Bellicheck is doing in New England. What he was able to do last season in that league is the way but it’ll take some time to catch on.
Posted by Syntax
FL390
Member since Aug 2020
964 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:14 am to
I e wondered the same. I think the rules are now tailored to receivers and QB’s being able to complete plays without the D having much impact. Unless the rules change we’re looking at wide open offenses in the foreseeable future.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66397 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:14 am to
Great detail there Madking. What exactly did he do?
Posted by Syntax
FL390
Member since Aug 2020
964 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:17 am to
quote:

It's impossible to stop if the OL can go 3 yards downfield and you're still allowed to throw the ball. The NFL only allows 1 yard. The RPO can't be stopped routinely with these rules.


Has this rule changed in the last couple years?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47601 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:17 am to
The most obvious change was leaving his top corner on an island vs the 2nd WR instead of the #1 guy then running all his traps and doubles towards the #1 WR. The idea is that you can’t really stop the elite players the way people used to but if you can take away everyone else you can narrow your plan and mitigate the damage.
This post was edited on 12/22/20 at 12:20 am
Posted by Jet Sweep
Member since Dec 2020
232 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:30 am to
Offensive holding is never called unless it’s obvious to eighty thousand fans. Most QBs can run and extend plays or have mobility . Receivers are faster and bigger and can out muscle DBs .
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47601 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:35 am to
You’re right, I think of all the rule changes not allowing DBs to jam 5 yards downfield and not allowing LBs to at least bump short crossers has been the most head scratching. I’m not talking about earholing underneath routes but there’s no reason LBs shouldn’t be allowed to push them or put their hands on em. It would actually limit some of the big hits on tiny WRs underneath. Just taking those 2 rules out would bring back a lot of defense and improve the overall product IMO.
This post was edited on 12/22/20 at 12:36 am
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