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re: Why Aren’t Buyouts Tied To Success?
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:13 am to SaturatedPhat
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:13 am to SaturatedPhat
Agents have taken over and the contracts all favor coaches
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:15 am to terriblegreen
quote:I think you mean empathize.
I now emphasize with aTm.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:16 am to Wayne Campbell
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I'm really interested to hear you further explain how a buyout would be earned.
No guaranteed money if you fail to win 10 games in a season...
No guaranteed money if you don't make the playoffs....
No guaranteed money if you lose to certain teams....
No guaranteed money if you don't make the SEC Championship....
This is all just examples. Could be a sliding scale, but all based on results.
Don't know why this is so hard to understand? Would it ever happen, who knows?? But it isn't a crazy of a concept.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:23 am to SaturatedPhat
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Usually they negotiate huge bonuses when a coach reaches certain milestones. Why can’t the buyouts be structured the same way? The buyout should have to be earned or at least traunched.
I cant believe there are 30 UV idiots who dont understand this… You try to solicit someone to come work for you by bidding up their salary and then you want to put negative restrictions on it??? Meanwhile program up the road offers same coach contract for less with more gaurantees and Boom! You missed your candidate. On to the next bum…
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:01 am to SaturatedPhat
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:01 am to SaturatedPhat
So you expect a coach to sign a contract with a clause in it that rewards him only if he is going great which makes the clause moot? Yeah. They will be jumping at that.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:09 am to SaturatedPhat
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o guaranteed money if you fail to win 10 games in a season...
No guaranteed money if you don't make the playoffs....
No guaranteed money if you lose to certain teams....
No guaranteed money if you don't make the SEC Championship....
This is all just examples. Could be a sliding scale, but all based on results.
Don't know why this is so hard to understand? Would it ever happen, who knows?? But it isn't a crazy of a concept.
You may be misstating your intent. Sounds like what you are arguing for is purely performance based contracts, whereby a coach could earn raises/extensions.
A coach that is performing to that level wouldn't need a buyout, because they're not going to get fired. The buyout exists because coaches want assurances they're not going to get Frank Soliched and fired for not meeting unrealistic expectations.
But if you legitimately believe LSU should be able to fire Brian Kelly with clause for losing to TAMU, or that any coach would actually agree to a contract with those stipulations, then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:34 am to OchoDedos
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Agents
Agents have ZERO leverage. You know why? Because they don't sign the contract and they are the one making the ultimate decision. I can go elicit a $200M offer for my client. If he doesn't want to accept it there is nothing I can do about it.
An agent's job is to advise his client and attempt to produce value for his client. It's the consumer (i.e. fans here) that drive the market. For example, in 2021 LSU, USC, and Florida were all in search for a new HC. All are programs that have won multiple national championships in the last 20 years. All have fanbases that DEMANDED a "big" hire. At that time here was the list of HCs who, since 2010 either reached multiple BCSNC games and/or reached the CFP
Nick Saban
Dabo Swinney
Kirby Smart
Brian Kelly
Jimbo Fisher
Ryan Day
Lincoln Riley
Urban Meyer
That was essentially your list of "big" names (unless you though Dave Aranda, Luke Fickell, Mike Gundy, etc were "big" names). With that much demand and so little supply, those guys could completely dictate the terms of their contract either at their current job or potential other job. ANY agent could have elicited multiple big offers for most of those guys (except maybe Jimbo and Urban whose "star" had somewhat faded)
In a very big rarity, LSU and USC were able to pry away HCs who, at the time, had gone a combined 21-3 that season. Go back an look at the HC's hired that cycle. No one except for Lincoln Riley had a resume to match Kelly's. This board would have gone fricking nuts had, say, Florida hired Brian Kelly while LSU "cheapen out" for Billy Napier, Dan Lanning, Mike Elko, etc.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:39 am to SaturatedPhat
CBK's deal is not so different than other coaches regarded as "Top" coaches in D1 football. Supply and demand. Very small amount of coaches at this level and the demand to win and cash in on the money a winning program brings in is at an all-time high. So, you won't replace CBK with a better coach for less money, ever. And, sticking with this contract will be cheaper in the long run, at least for the next couple of years. Remember he has been a consistent 10 game winner with less talent, with albeit a harder schedule, than Notre Dame ever has had. Not making excuses for this year but Coach O left us with only a handful of scholarship players when CBK arrived. Yes, there are issues but assistant coaches and position coaches are still trying to overcome the shortfall in roster development. That takes a few years. We are sitting on the #1 class for next year at the moment. Let's stop the negativity and focus on getting that class signed. The complaining like the world is ending is sending a strong negative message to recruits and their families. We need to show support and Tiger spirit, despite issues this year. We want perfection and it's not attainable by anyone. We need to quit comparing everyone to Saban and be more realistic to parity that exist now with NIL and coaches demands. Get behind CBK and our players or we will get several more years of this to gripe about, guaranteed.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:43 am to josh336
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The market kind of dictates contracts. Who do you think has the leverage, coaches or ADs
I think we’re about to see some serious pushback on these deals thx to Jimbo and Kelly. And ironically the same AD hire them both…
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:47 am to SaturatedPhat
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No guaranteed money if you fail to win 10 games in a season...
No guaranteed money if you don't make the playoffs....
No guaranteed money if you lose to certain teams....
No guaranteed money if you don't make the SEC Championship....
This is all just examples. Could be a sliding scale, but all based on results.
Don't know why this is so hard to understand? Would it ever happen, who knows?? But it isn't a crazy of a concept.
This is how you end up hiring Derek Mason.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:50 am to josh336
Show me another contract like BK's? I'll wait.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:53 am to SaturatedPhat
NCAA football is dirty business, so they give a golden parachute for the coaches because they have so much dirt on the program by the time they get fired. They are essentially buying their silence. IMO
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:55 am to SaturatedPhat
The parties could agree to that but they don't. I'm not aware of such a provision being in any coaching contract. LSU could propose something like that but they can't make the coaching prospect agree to such a term.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:04 pm to SaturatedPhat
you want a coach who till take 4 million with a small buyout then you get a coach with no track record of success.
You get a coordinator or a Small School HC.
no one with options it taking a job with no security.
The lowest paid coach in the SEC is Clark and that’s gonna change.
Then it’s Lebby. that won’t change.
Kelly is the lowest paid coach who has made the CFP.
You get a coordinator or a Small School HC.
no one with options it taking a job with no security.
The lowest paid coach in the SEC is Clark and that’s gonna change.
Then it’s Lebby. that won’t change.
Kelly is the lowest paid coach who has made the CFP.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:06 pm to Vincenzo Pantangelli
Do you think Lincoln Riley took a lesser contract to go to USC with less of a buyout?
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:36 pm to Vincenzo Pantangelli
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Show me another contract like BK's? I'll wait.
LINK
Kelly's currently the 4th highest paid coach ... in the SEC. (Before Heupel gets his re-negotiation.)
Posted on 11/18/24 at 4:15 pm to SaveFarris
That's not contracts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 7:54 pm to SaturatedPhat
quote:quote:
Are you really this dense?
Are you retarded? What's your point? It's a DISCUSSION BOARD dumb arse.
So you really are, got it.
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