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re: Why are we retaining McMahon?
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:30 am to CP3forMVP
Posted on 3/5/25 at 8:30 am to CP3forMVP
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You have more faith in another coach coming in and elevating one of the bottom two rosters in the entire conference to where this fanbase feels the program should be? If you say yes, I'm not the one that's unbelievable.
Alt26 has this really good line about someone needing to inform Vanderbilt their season doesnt actually count this year. You know, since it’s the new coach’s first year there after taking over a bad roster situation and all.
You’re gonna let them know, right?
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I'll put it simply, if they get NIL to where it needs to be, McMahon is a good enough coach to win
I’ll put it simply, you have absolutely no basis for this statement, other than being a big fan of mediocrity.
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There's two examples in conference this year alone of coaches that this board would have ran off but are now winning because their schools invested, and both of those coaches were considered the worst coaches in the league prior to this season.
What, specifically, did Vanderbilt and Missouri invest in their programs this year that they didn’t last year?
What, specifically, did South Carolina Not invest in their program this year that they did last year?
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Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:07 am to GeauxTime9
Money? Love to be in the room discussing what to do.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:10 am to Open Your Eyes
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I’ll put it simply, you have absolutely no basis for this statement, other than being a big fan of mediocrity.
The same can be said for the parts of the fanbase that think McMahon still won't win with better players. The truth is, nobody knows.
As for Vandy and Missouri, it's pretty well known that they significantly upped the amount of NIL spent on their rosters. The information is out there and easy to find. Vandy for example, they returned nobody. The nine guys that play on that roster night in and night out were all brought in from elsewhere. None of them played for Vandy last season.
Missouri isn't quite that strong, but they brought in numerous new players this year as well. But I'll tell you the difference there, and I'm about to throw around a lot of numbers so stay with me. Do you remember Jacob Crews? A guy the LSU fan base was enamored with and was upset to find out that he committed to Mizzou? He's played in 28/29 games for them, but he's only playing 12 minutes a night. How many minutes do you think he would be playing here? Jacob Crews was the second leading scorer at UT Martin last season, 19.1 pts on 48.5% from the field and 41% from three. Do you know who was their leading scorer? It was our own beloved Jordan Sears, who is playing 25 minutes a night for us while 37% from the field. A guy that is so bad, that we have elected to recently start a Freshman guard who shoots sub 27% from the field in his place.
They brought in another guard from Northern Kentucky, who averaged 19.9 points per game, he's only playing 13.5 minutes per night for them. He was the #126 ranked transfer, while we brought in Dji Bailey who didn't even receive a portal ranking, and he's playing 31 minutes a night for us.
Ok I'm finally getting to the difference, they brought in those guys, guys that you can compare to our Sears, Bailey, etc. But they also brought in Mark Mitchell, a guy who coming out of high school was a 5*, the #13 ranked prospect, and a guy that started 67 games for Duke as a Freshman and Sophomore. They also brought in Tony Perkins, a guy who had started 81 games at guard for Iowa. I know we brought in Cam, but Mizzou is bringing in multiple high level starters from good to great programs, among others, and the small school guys that would be playing 25-30 minutes a night here at LSU, are playing half that at Mizzou. Because they invested.
and then to circle back to my statement that the NIL information is out there and is easy to find, there's only one school who spent less than LSU in NIL this year. South Carolina. Coincidentally, the three schools who spent the least amount in NIL on their rosters this season, are the bottom three in conference.
This post was edited on 3/5/25 at 9:11 am
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:26 am to GeauxTime9
With the current money put into the basketball program for NIL, you could take any coach on the planet and not make the tournament. They simply don't have the roster.
So to make the program good, you'd need to
1. Buy out McMahon's contract
2. Pay for an elite coach
3. Buy an elite roster
Which is north of a 15 million dollar decision, or you could just give him a 6 million dollar roster instead of 2 and see what he does with that before you go and throw all of your booster's money down the drain.
So to make the program good, you'd need to
1. Buy out McMahon's contract
2. Pay for an elite coach
3. Buy an elite roster
Which is north of a 15 million dollar decision, or you could just give him a 6 million dollar roster instead of 2 and see what he does with that before you go and throw all of your booster's money down the drain.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:28 am to CP3forMVP
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The truth is, nobody knows.
The past is the best predictor of the future.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:36 am to Gmichels
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Which is north of a 15 million dollar decision, or you could just give him a 6 million dollar roster instead of 2 and see what he does with that before you go and throw all of your booster's money down the drain.
This makes no sense. McMahon is 14-39 in the SEC. He’s not going to turn into John Wooden just because of a few more dollars. Next year will be a complete waste and you will lose a lot of money by keeping him around.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:47 am to Riverside
He does paying off O when he never should have gotten that type of buyout. It would have taken a miracle for O to leave his Dream Job. He did deserve a nice one time bonus. Remember total failure at Ole Miss and the shirtless incident. Also Southern Cal decided he wasn’t the answer. Too much baggage for a good AD to give the kind of buyout O signed for. I DONT blame him for getting it. One of the smart things he did, among other more questionable decisions!!!
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:59 am to Madking
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That isn’t a money problem.
You’re right. It’s a combination of both. If we had a top 5 coach in the nation, 1.5 would suffice. We do not have a top coach. We have a maybe top 100 coach. In the best conference in basketball. 1.5 is not enough for HIM to have a competitive team. Show me a list of coaches you think could compete right now with an average budget & I’ll show you the top 10 coaches in NCAAB. Idk how else to say it. Think of it this way. Big budget + Average coach = Arkansas. Cal will have the same amount of talent every year. This year, since he’s not a great coach & there are so many talented SEC teams, he may not make the tournament. But in a normal SEC year he would, but he wouldn’t win anything. I see McM having the same “success” with that budget & I see Cal having the same success with LSU’s.
Really good coach + above average budget = Bama. Not sure what Oats makes but it’s probably more than McM & he’s probably leaving in a year or two for more money. It’s not ONLY a money problem, but it’s absolutely a money problem.
McM signed a top 15 class. Cool. Well based on the results, he needs a top 5 class to compete. So give him 2 million more dollars to recruit. Don’t like it? Then pay a better coach 3-5 million more a year (and give him more money) I PERSONALLY would take the latter, bc I don’t think McM will do much better w more money. But to act like money isn’t a problem almost doesn’t seem honest.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:01 am to GeauxTime9
Because he gives free ice cream with sprinkles to Woodard.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:04 am to NIH
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He’s only a player or two away.
He’s an entire roster away from getting upset by 15 in the sweet 16. And he’s gonna require about 2 million more in NIL money to do it. If you want better, hire a coach for at least 3 million more annually & give him 1 million more in NIL. I’m struggling to see the confusion here.
This post was edited on 3/5/25 at 10:05 am
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:07 am to WhySoSerious
Players that he has can’t shoot period….
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:10 am to CP3forMVP
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Vandy for example, they returned nobody
See, this is where I get annoyed. For the last 2.5 years the McMen have blamed our lack of success on the fact that McMahon had 0 players when he got here and “It takes time to build a program.” Now all of a sudden his lack of success is because he doesn’t have NIL because LSU put out a BS narrative to cover its own arse. Regardless, the guy is doing a horrible job and should be fired as soon as we lose the opening game of the SEC tournament.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:12 am to GeauxTime9
100% agree, I have been a big supporter of bringing back Wade, but if not Wade, we have to hire a more competent coach than McMahon, this is just terrible.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:27 am to tigers1956
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Players that he has can’t shoot period….
Here’s how that convo would go
SW - Your players can’t shoot
McM - The best shooters signed for more money. If I got shooters we wouldn’t have rebounders or defenders (I don’t agree with this but he has an argument) if you want shooters and defenders & rebounders & playmakers, give me more money.
SW - I don’t wanna
McM - Then find a better coach.
Better Coaches - LSU’s fine & all but I need a bigger salary & a bigger recruiting budget or no thanks.
Equal coaches - Deal, where do I sign.
“2 Years Later”
SW - Your players can’t shoot..
I think 1 issue is we think Will Wades & Nate Oats are easy to find. They’re not. You get a few Trent Johnson’s & Avery Johnson’s & McM’s along the way.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:28 am to EPORE
McMahon will go out and get more players that don't complement each other, but pay higher prices to do so.
Woody seems like he is all in and will do whatever he can in an attempt to justify his poor contract with McMahon.
LSU basketball fans will suffer for it.
Woody seems like he is all in and will do whatever he can in an attempt to justify his poor contract with McMahon.
LSU basketball fans will suffer for it.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:33 am to Riverside
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Apparently our AD sees something in him that the rest of us can’t see.
He sees his pride and that’s about the only thing that fatass won’t swallow
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:40 am to lsudave1
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See, this is where I get annoyed. For the last 2.5 years the McMen have blamed our lack of success on the fact that McMahon had 0 players when he got here and “It takes time to build a program.” Now all of a sudden his lack of success is because he doesn’t have NIL because LSU put out a BS narrative to cover its own arse. Regardless, the guy is doing a horrible job and should be fired as soon as we lose the opening game of the SEC tournament.
I think you have to look at it all.
His first year was terrible, we all know the reasons. No reason to spend time on that.
I personally think last year was a success. 9-9 in conference, with the roster he had, after going 2-16 the year prior. I'm good with that.
Then this year, it's a failure, no doubt. I've gone on record many times (not necessarily on this board I don't think, maybe I have, I don't know) that he shouldn't get another year. But if you have to have all the info. This team lost their best player 8 games in. They lost a starting wing that this entire fanbase was excited about before the season even started. The conference is far and away the best it's ever been. LSU being 81st in Kenpom when they're 3-14 in conference versus being 95th in Kenpom last year when they were .500 in conference proves that.
But the "BS Narrative" (which it isn't that, that's a foolish way of putting it on your part" got me thinking, and this is the end I came out on. I would rather keep McMahon, invest in the roster, and hope for the best rather than firing McMahon, starting over again, and having possibly an even worse roster next season.
This programs best chance of success next season, without the slightest doubt in my mind, is keeping McMahon and investing in him, and seeing what he can do with it. If he succeeds, then great, you've won and you've potentially dug yourself out of the hole you're currently in. If he still fails, then you can him and start down the road again. Seems like an easy decision to me.
This post was edited on 3/5/25 at 10:44 am
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:45 am to Riverside
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The past is the best predictor of the future.
But yet people want to fire McMahon, hire another coach that's likely just as unproven or "mid," keep not investing in the actual talent on the roster, and expect different results. Got it.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 11:06 am to Open Your Eyes
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Pretty doubtful that someone claiming anything McMahon is doing resembles Jay wright understands basketball enough to be a coach.
Yeah, that comment speaks for itself. So there can’t be any similarity because of results? Did you also know it took Jay Wright until his 4th season to make the tournament? Doesn’t matter.
My “coaching record” speaks for itself. I’ve got 6 right now playing college basketball, but I digress. You have forgotten more basketball than I know. I’m not going to waste any more of my time talking “basketball” with someone who thinks that coaches can’t run the same or similar things as other coaches, and not have success.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 11:07 am to Madking
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Wow you’re a disingenuous person. Make a false or stupid statement, throw out more falsities and straw men when you’re called out for it then accuse others of what you’re doing. Yuk
List my “false statements”.
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