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re: Why are all our basketball fans so stuck on Will Wade? His team can never shoot the 3!
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:52 am to LSUtigerNVegas
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:52 am to LSUtigerNVegas
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If you can’t hit the 3 with consistency you’re not winning anything in CBB. It’s as simple as that.
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Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:53 am to SupermanSlim
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Will Wade was a great recruiter in an era where you had to cheat to be a great recruiter.
Absolutely, he had to compete against master serial cheaters like Pearl, Cal, Self and K for recruits - and then had to deal with a media an environment that treated those folks much differently than they did him.
Hell, we had a coach in the PMAC last night who if half of what he's done is even somewhat true is much more despicable than anything Will Wade done, yet his school has cleared him and Dick and Forde aren't raging against him like he's a Nazi war criminal like they did WW.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:54 am to The Pirate King
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whose biggest "strength" as a coach has been neutralized by the NIL era.
I kinda hope you are kidding, or at the very least have some grasp on basic microeconomic price fixing. By having NIL about 75% of the dark money became legit overnight and created a real numbers exchange in terms of dollars and cents. It did not neutralize the coaches that are the Wades of the world, it actually enhanced and brought into the forefront how good he is at what he does and coaches like him. Again I am saying this not as a Wade fan boy or CMM hater. I very much like and respect both tremendously. They are both excellent teachers of basketball, extremely detail oriented. Probably most of all out of the 400 or so head coaches, and about the Top 50 lead assistants that on any day could stop and get a head coaching job I would say both in my interactions are in the Top-40, so the top percentile of coaches currently doing it that are actual true grinders. I would say in the last 10-15 years about 100 or so of the “grinders” job market has all but evaporated.
With NIL, just to name a few such as: Wade, Sampson, Rick Pitino, Scott Drew, Shaka Smart, Ed Cooley, Bruce Pearl, Sean Miller, Kevin Willard, Chris Beard, Andy Enfield, Penny Hardaway, Damon Stoudemire, all benefit with most of the money being legit. Calipari and Self are in another category but the same cloth. And you see how they have struggled more in the NIL times.
I am tired of CMM and would not be afraid to tell him, to quit switching every year the foundation and direction. This will be the 4th year, he changes course. Years 1 and 2 some that are naive and don’t know a whole lot said well that’s why he got a 7 year contract. Years one and two would be a “rebuild”, a “wash”. I call bullshite he is too good of a coach and been doing it too long to after two years have Tyrell Ward, Jalen Reed, and real leadership problems frontcourt and backcourt. Not to mention putting your own back up against the wall with transfers that were overpaid and don’t fit the SEC on defense or in transition.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:02 am to burke985
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They love him because he won so many natties here
In two years he turned a 1-15 SEC team into a SEC Champion. That’s why jackass.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:03 am to SupermanSlim
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Will Wade was a great recruiter in an era where you had to cheat to be a great recruiter.
Not disagreeing with you at all my man. Simply stating, it shows just how damn good of a recruiter he is, when the good ole boy network of college basketball tried literally to lock him out of places on the trail. Shoe companies and EYBL instructing Head Coaches to hinder or shy away from “that little guy”, EYBL and others are the shoe circuit leagues think AAU but on a much different level. All 350 D-1 head coaches were “cheating” if by that you mean doing things against NCAA by laws in recruiting. Wade is a great recruiter because of how different he is when is trying to sell a family or a potential young man on what he can do. He and about 20 others do it a completely different way. It has paid dividends, just to name a few Duop Reath, Tremont Waters, Brandon Sampson (Didn’t initially recruit him but he kept him), Naz Reid, Trenton Watford, Cam Thomas, Alex Fudge, Adam Miller. He is hitting on at McNeese and LSU about 70%. That is what incredible.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:28 am to Tiger Ugly
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I'm not sure you thought this one out too well before posting. You can hate the guy, I get it....but at least go a more logical direction to try to make your case then an assertion that NIL neutralizes him.....that may quite literally be the worst angle you could have chosen in terms of reality.
They never do.
In January and February you get an influx of “basketball fans” whose interest is limited to about 4 games of LSU basketball, with zero knowledge of the sport at large.
The “we can do better than Wade” crowd is an interesting group. They have this strong opinion, yet NEVER list any names (or at least any names within the remote possibility of reality).
Wade has been a HC over the course of 11 seasons at 4 different schools. He’s NEVER had a losing season. He’s finished in the top 3 of the conference standings 9 of 11 seasons. He’s been to the NCAA tournament 6 times (would be 7 had the 2020 tournament not been canceled) and is on pace for 7 this year. For context, LSU has made the NCAAT a combined 6 times since 1994 in the 27 years Wade wasn’t the HC over the span of 5 HC. Wade had more SEC wins by January of his second season than McMahon has in nearly 3 full seasons.
The anti-Wade crowd is NOTHING more than a handful of non-basketball fans who want to be contrarians simply for the sake of do so because they have no logic in their position. If you are an LSU basketball you don’t have loyalty to a particular coach. Your loyalty is to the program. You want the best coach for the program. In 30+ years that has been Wade…easily.
If Bruce Pearl, Danny Hurley, Bill Self, Kelvin Sampson, Mark Few, etc, desperately want to coach LSU I will be right there celebrating their arrival. But until that happens, I’ll take the guy I actually saw win consistently at LSU
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:31 am to The Pirate King
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I've never seen so much support for a coach who accomplished so little
LSU made the ncaa tournament 6 times in 24 seasons before Will Wade was hired.
LSU made the ncaa tournament 4 years in a row under Will Wade.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:32 am to Alt26
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Your loyalty is to the program. You want the best coach for the program. In 30+ years that has been Wade…easily.
If Bruce Pearl, Danny Hurley, Bill Self, Kelvin Sampson, Mark Few, etc, desperately want to coach LSU I will be right there celebrating their arrival. But until that happens, I’ll take the guy I actually saw win consistently at LSU
The thing is that guy is gone and is never coming back
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:42 am to Ponchy Tiger
Because most of these “ LSU fans” have such miserable lives that they are only happy when LSU wins. It is really a mental illness. I loved WW and wished he could have stayed but being a mentally stable adult I understood he was gone and moved on with my life. And no they don’t know what would have happened with the football sanctions had LSU kept him. It sucks that he was fired for the same things Self was doing but they don’t have a multi million dollar football program on the line. Life isn’t fair as I’ve told my kids their entire life. Some if these Wade cultists need to learn that lesson.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:59 am to mcspufftiger7
I have been known to be one of the biggest Wade supporters in his time at LSU. From his second day ever on campus, I don’t matter at all just was a student getting some Chick Fil-A and he talked with me for 30 minutes. So yeah as an undergrad then who still loved his time in high school sports especially my basketball time because in spite of my 5’11, 155 soaking pound frame we were so good and nationally ranked for a while. But it just meant something personal having the coach at your school you grew up watching but you a chicken sandwich and talk about crawfish, how Louisiana only had two seasons hot and cold not like Virginia, and then hear him gush and talk about the gold mine that LSU was. I thought I was an LSU basketball superfan but he really had not only done homework but had a 10-15-20 year plan, I know it sounds like the Hooters guy from Big Daddy, but he was infectious and by the end of Johnny Jones the program was on absolute life support. Not just throwing that out there, at the time no roster, didn’t even have 3 ball handlers that could withstand an SEC defense, facilities and still are lacking but not in the way people think. A third sport where the two main sports are not only relevant but at the height or close to it in college sports. Even in the building gymnastics was a bigger deal than what Wade got. During the entire saga from the first whispers to the last signature at the end when the f’ing lawyers get involved. He never stopped loving LSU. Doesn’t mean much and not pumping sunshine but honestly after Trent Johnson, Johnny Jones. The program was near dead because the old guard Dale Brown system failed. The outside hire that would bring stability, “fundamentals” and a respectable 5 or 6th place finish every year in the SEC if they were good in Johnson. Everyone knew he was never going to get close to making LSU a top 4 team in then at the time sometimes a 4 bid league. So you turn to a coach that is a complete outsider, to not only Louisiana, but major college basketball circles. You have the worry of whether he was only good because of what Shaka had built. But I bring up Wade for this reason he did it, another coach if it isn’t McMahon can do it. We will probably know by the first transfer portal target when CMM gets a point guard if he will be here after next year. To your point man, when coaches like Bill Self, John Calipari, Dana Altman, Sean Miller while at Arizona, Leonard Hamilton, and one coach K are complaining to anyone that will listen about your coach and what LSU is doing was glorious. He’s not coming back, but for me have hope and know it can be done.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 10:00 am to The Pirate King
Fake news as usual
Posted on 2/23/25 at 10:04 am to Ponchy Tiger
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The thing is that guy is gone and is never coming back
Maybe not. But that doesn’t mean you foreclose the possibility. Contrary to what the handful of contrarians believe, the guy has tremendous support here in Louisiana. Both from fans, and more importantly, the donors. He would IMMEDIATELY get the significant increased NIL funds that LSU is pretending McMahon will get next year (despite, if you believe LSU, not getting it at all for 3 years). After his firing Wade could have gone to a small, bad program in any other state. He chose to coach in Louisiana. Wade has no disdain for Louisiana. It’s only the hubris of LSU’s leadership that prevents talks from happening. That’s it.
It’s highly likely Wade will never be the HC at LSU again. But that will be because of the failure of the AD more than anything else l. The opportunity is there. He doesn’t want to explore it because that would require effort
Posted on 2/23/25 at 10:12 am to LSUtigerNVegas
I Will Wade for three pointers.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 10:21 am to The Pirate King
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I've never seen so much support for a coach who accomplished so little
You literally dickrode ed Orgeron from the day he was announced as interim head coach.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 10:23 am to Open Your Eyes
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ed Orgeron
Get back to me when Wade puts together the best college sports team of all time.
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 10:23 am
Posted on 2/23/25 at 10:26 am to The Pirate King
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Get back to me when Wade puts together the best college sports team of all time.
It’s no surprise that you can’t read.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 10:28 am to The Pirate King
Or when McMahon wins the SEC.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 10:29 am to Tiger Ugly
Will Wade may not have been the best X&O’s coach, but his teams were going to punch you in the mouth and make you beat them.
There weren’t many games during the Wade era that I felt we would lose before the game. I haven’t felt that way during the MM era once.
There weren’t many games during the Wade era that I felt we would lose before the game. I haven’t felt that way during the MM era once.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 10:29 am to Open Your Eyes
If your point is how could I support such a terrible awful coach that eventually was responsible for the best team LSU will ever produce, not a very good argument 
I argued Ed should have been given a chance to succeed from the beginning, and he exceeded everyone's wildest expectations. Forgive me for not writing the guy off completely before he coached a game.
I argued Ed should have been given a chance to succeed from the beginning, and he exceeded everyone's wildest expectations. Forgive me for not writing the guy off completely before he coached a game.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 10:31 am to LSUtigerNVegas
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Why are all our basketball fans so stuck on Will Wade
He brought a level of excitement and relevance to LSU basketball rarely seen after Dale Brown. Then after the story broke about his rules violations some people doubled and tripled down defending him, deflecting and rationalizing they built him up in their minds as the bestest coach ever. They lash out by attacking the AD and accusing anyone who thinks Wade should have been fired and it’s time to move on of the same type of loyalty to McMahon
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 10:55 am
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