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re: Whoever decided "hey lets try to job BK out of his contract" needs to be sent to pasture
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:14 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:14 pm to Obtuse1
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Yes, but it does not advance your argument as you see it. There are two reasons you put a "fact" into a filing. One, it is part of the foundation of your legal argument. Two, it prevents the opposition from using its absence against you.
I understand. Number two is the primary factor in this instance. We have not yet heard LSUs rebuttal. We don’t know what it is, and you would not enumerate them without knowing that the rebuttal is the key missing detail in this entire legal issue. Said differently, we wouldn’t need to have this conversation if we know LSUs position, right?
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The whole reason we are here is to dispense with the notion that for cause is a possibility.
I agree, and I would hope you would agree Kelly’s team wants to get past here as quickly as possible
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they wanted to go down that road they shouldn't have fired him emotionally and went through the contractually required process. All the discussion around this in the media and on the internet has them rethinking what they should do but that are using their brain instead of their heart about a month too late.
I guess we will see how it plays out. Your thoughts are as good as mine.
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:19 pm to Obtuse1
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Skadden probably bills associates at around $1000 an hour and partners at $2500 and up.
How outrageous. They could have saved a lot of money and had a third year associate at a local firm draft the same dec action.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:22 pm to OceanMan
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Why would he voluntarily lower the damages? What scenario would that make sense for him? To give up damages that he asked a court he is confirmed are owed to him?
Man, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here.
This has been discussed constantly. If he were offered a lump sum buyout without the required work seeking, and he thinks the price is good, he would take it.
That is exactly what he was talking about in the letter about when he mentioned a settlement offer.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:23 pm to JPLSU1981
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Thinking out loud… what if what transpired in the Sunday meeting itself was their reasoning to consider for cause firing?
I’ve tried this it doesn’t work
I mean, it’s in the contract that he and AD need to get along, and now they are both fired, but no there was no possibility it was for cause or voluntary resignation
They could not work together, but that was the deal, the alignment. Kelly’s contract even said he wouldn’t need to pay damages if he (and his company) terminated the contract. They were clearly expected to work together, and could not, failure to perform core duties of the position.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:39 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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Man, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here. This has been discussed constantly. If he were offered a lump sum buyout without the required work seeking, and he thinks the price is good, he would take it.
And I have told you literally all day that Kelly has already said no to fair offers. Do you seriously think I’m disputing that contracts can be amended? That’s the core premise I’ve repeated.
You even told me that you imagine if LSU would have offered a mere $2M more, this could have been avoided. That was you right? My friend, they would be there right now if it were true. You don’t make 2 offers on the day you fire a guy and not cough up another 5-10% until he sues you. That’s fricking stupid. And it would be equally fricking stupid for LSU to entertain anything $43M+ like you said earlier. Kelly has a lot more incentive to fight over a few $M than LSU does, and that’s what he is doing. He didn’t get the number that he wanted and is going scorched earth, which I’m pretty confident is how I entered thread.
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That is exactly what he was talking about in the letter about when he mentioned a settlement offer.
Yes the one his attorneys wrote that is making the lawsuit feel like a cohesive narrative.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 10:43 pm to Indefatigable
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How outrageous. They could have saved a lot of money and had a third year associate at a local firm draft the same dec action.
Yeah it’s super weird the Kelly hired such an expensive attorney after he knew he was fired without cause and just had a little HR housekeeping to do. I wonder when they were engaged? Probably not important.
Oh well. Definitely LSUs fault, not the little shite that this board hated a few weeks ago or the same for clamoring that he get run out of town.
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:02 pm to OceanMan
[u]And I have told you literally all day that Kelly has already said no to fair offers. Do you seriously think I’m disputing that contracts can be amended?[/
Hell, it’s your words. From previous posts…
I posted…
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All it does is put them back at day one. The contract as written is still valid and they could still have a settlement.
To which you responded…
It wouldn't be valid, it would be terminated, because they confirmed that they terminated it without cause.
That does not jive with your present post.
And who are you to decide a fair offer in someone else’s business?
You also said this…
I don’t say this entirely emotionally
C’mon. Your grasping at straws on this entire thing is nothing but emotion.
The bottom line is our alma matter screwed this up. I hate it but they did. BK sucks and coasted. But, LSU made the right decision to can him, but they have butchered this.
You’ve got contract attorneys telling you this but you keep grabbing at anything you can.
LSU, and probably more so Gov Landry, let emotions take over and didn’t keep the cart in front of the horse. Now they’ve painted themselves into a corner.
I hope they wake up and someone with some common sense sees their obvious mistakes and puts this to bed asap. We don’t stand to benefit at all with this dragging out. Hell, acknowledge you fired him without cause(which they did) and tell him you are honoring the contract and keep us posted on your next job. That might just get Kelly to meet to a figure closer to what LSU finds palpable.
If LSU takes stances being advocated here of “he wasn’t fired because he didn’t get a letter”, they will look silly and according to many attorneys they will lose.
That’s a wrap for me. We are passionate Tiger Fans. BK is gone. The powers that be screwed up. It’s in their court to right the ship. I hope they don’t just continue stepping in the turd.
Let’s clean our image and hire a great coach.
Geaux Tigers!
Hell, it’s your words. From previous posts…
I posted…
quote:
All it does is put them back at day one. The contract as written is still valid and they could still have a settlement.
To which you responded…
It wouldn't be valid, it would be terminated, because they confirmed that they terminated it without cause.
That does not jive with your present post.
And who are you to decide a fair offer in someone else’s business?
You also said this…
I don’t say this entirely emotionally
C’mon. Your grasping at straws on this entire thing is nothing but emotion.
The bottom line is our alma matter screwed this up. I hate it but they did. BK sucks and coasted. But, LSU made the right decision to can him, but they have butchered this.
You’ve got contract attorneys telling you this but you keep grabbing at anything you can.
LSU, and probably more so Gov Landry, let emotions take over and didn’t keep the cart in front of the horse. Now they’ve painted themselves into a corner.
I hope they wake up and someone with some common sense sees their obvious mistakes and puts this to bed asap. We don’t stand to benefit at all with this dragging out. Hell, acknowledge you fired him without cause(which they did) and tell him you are honoring the contract and keep us posted on your next job. That might just get Kelly to meet to a figure closer to what LSU finds palpable.
If LSU takes stances being advocated here of “he wasn’t fired because he didn’t get a letter”, they will look silly and according to many attorneys they will lose.
That’s a wrap for me. We are passionate Tiger Fans. BK is gone. The powers that be screwed up. It’s in their court to right the ship. I hope they don’t just continue stepping in the turd.
Let’s clean our image and hire a great coach.
Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:24 pm to JPLSU1981
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Thinking out loud… what if what transpired in the Sunday meeting itself was their reasoning to consider for cause firing?
And to complicate matters he hopped on a plane and high-tailed it out of town within 48 hours after meeting.
From all reports, LSU did not intend to fire Brian Kelly that Sunday. Something happened in that meeting that changed things.
Your supposition is refuted in the press release that was issued on Sunday by the AD's office. Below is the excerpt from said press release:
“When Coach Kelly arrived at LSU four years ago, we had high hopes that he would lead us to multiple SEC and national championships during his time in Baton Rouge,” Woodward said. “Ultimately, the success at the level that LSU demands simply did not materialize, and I made the decision to make a change after last night’s game. I am grateful for the ongoing consultations and support of the LSU Board of Supervisors and Interim President Matt Lee in this decision. We wish Coach Kelly and his family the very best in their future endeavors. We will continue to negotiate his separation and will work toward a path that is better for both parties.”
lsusports.net AD press release
Please note the following:
1. There was a reason four different representatives of LSU were present for the meeting on Sunday with Kelly.
2. The decision to terminate by LSU had been made Saturday evening per Woodward's own words.
3. Additionally, per Woodward's own words both the Board of Supervisors and the Interim President were parties to the decision to terminate. Woodward did not walk into the meeting and fly by the seat of his pants, firing Kelly.
4. Furthermore, the LSU contingent walked into that meeting with a pre-approved offer to buyout the liquidate damages ($25m).
None of this suggests the meeting went sideways as you stated, quite the opposite..
Posted on 11/13/25 at 11:29 pm to kajunman
I thought the first post was dumb. Then I read your stupid shite. You sign a contract based on your illustrious track record and give over half away loser
Posted on 11/14/25 at 4:54 am to OceanMan
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Yeah it’s super weird the Kelly hired such an expensive attorney
You’ve been dropping your retarded shite all over this board the last few days. You should take a break.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 5:39 am to OceanMan
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Yeah it’s super weird the Kelly hired such an expensive attorney after he knew he was fired without cause and just had a little HR housekeeping to do. I wonder when they were engaged? Probably not important. Oh well. Definitely LSUs fault, not the little shite that this board hated a few weeks ago or the same for clamoring that he get run out of town.
Wut?
I was just laughing at the outrageous fees.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 2:27 pm to mdomingue
quote:You don't know what LSU is legally obligated to pay.
Legally, LSU is obligated to pay him.
It's quite possible because of the "cause" line they aren't obligated to pay him the full amount.
LSU wanted to negotiate that and BK opted not to.
It may not all be LSU's fault what is going on right now.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 2:28 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
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It's quite possible because of the "cause" line they aren't obligated to pay him the full amount.
What?
Posted on 11/14/25 at 2:36 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:No one here knows what LSU may or may not have on BK that would allow them to fire him for "cause". And if there is something then LSU wouldn't be obligated to pay him the full amount of his contract.
What?
Posted on 11/14/25 at 2:50 pm to GrizzlyWintergreen
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Everything up to now is speculation, because there is nothing concrete. There cant be. Arkansas is on the verge of a good hire, Auburn has their guy locked up already. Because thats what you do. You get it fricking done.
The only saving grace is that we might be forced to wait until the playoff before LSU gets it shite together, and maybe by then we can pitch something to Lane.
If you want the caliber of a Lane then you were always waiting until the season is over.
People aren’t going to leave their current job during the season. That’s not how it works.
But guys like Ed Orgeron or a Nick Saban are available now because they aren’t coaching.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 2:53 pm to dgnx6
quote:i just read that Arkansas has been in contact with Orgeron regarding their coaching search.
Arkansas is on the verge of a good hire
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:05 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
quote:Yes we do. It's spelled out in the liquidated damages provision of the contract.
You don't know what LSU is legally obligated to pay.
quote:It's too late to "negotiate" whether he was terminated for cause. LSU terminated him, and it did not follow the contractually required procedure to terminate him for cause. LSU can't terminate Kelly and then negotiate how it will terminate him. You can't shoot a person and then negotiate how you will shoot them. The only thing left to negotiate is how much money will be paid, when it will be paid, and what are Kelly's mitigation obligations.
It's quite possible because of the "cause" line they aren't obligated to pay him the full amount.
LSU wanted to negotiate that and BK opted not to.
quote:No. What's going on right now is 100% the fault of someone at LSU, the BoS, or the Governor.
It may not all be LSU's fault what is going on right now.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:32 pm to Salviati
quote:Right, and the "for cause" provision in said contract allows LSU to terminate Kelly without owing that full buy-out, if specific conduct occurs.
Yes we do. It's spelled out in the liquidated damages provision of the contract.
quote:Unless something has recently occurred that I'm unaware of then yeah in a practical sense Kelly is no longer serving as the LSU head coach.
It's too late to "negotiate" whether he was terminated for cause. LSU terminated him, and it did not follow the contractually required procedure to terminate him for cause. LSU can't terminate Kelly and then negotiate how it will terminate him. You can't shoot a person and then negotiate how you will shoot them. The only thing left to negotiate is how much money will be paid, when it will be paid, and what are Kelly's mitigation obligations.
But, and once again, unless something has recently happened that I haven't seen then in the strictly legal/contractual sense, AND according to Kelly's claim, LSU has not formally executed the full termination procedure under his contract.(especially for a "for cause" vs "without cause" distinction).
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:34 pm to GrizzlyWintergreen
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What Coach worth a frick is gonna look over here and decide to take this?
Nobody!!
None of them!
We are going to swing and miss on EVERYBODY and some student intern from India will manage the football team with the help of chat GPT
Some of you pussies really need to get a grip. When it’s all said and done this whole ‘LSUs administration is terrible’ crap will all just be a pointless talking point that our ‘fans’ used to shite on LSU cause that’s just what LSU fans do
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:43 pm to kajunman
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Why? BK did a shitty job. He shouldn't get paid. The 2025 Tigers are one of the most disappointing teams ever. F, BK. He shouldn't get one cent more. Funny how few want to hold him accountable for this season.
And people wonder what makes the state of Louisiana one of the poorest and least educated state in the country.
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