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re: Whoever decided "hey lets try to job BK out of his contract" needs to be sent to pasture

Posted on 11/13/25 at 4:56 pm to
Posted by bayouboo
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 4:56 pm to
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quote: Correct. And 11 A 2 states the termination date is the date the initial termination date is given.

LSU provided written notice that Kelly was terminated "effective immediately."


The contract states written notice TO employee.

If Kelly already received this direct written notice, he already has his answer as to how he was fired… so he should just drop the lawsuit.

Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 4:56 pm to
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My statement is correct. Kelly's lawsuit is a declaratory judgment action. It simply asks the court to confirm that LSU’s termination of Coach Kelly is without cause.


and that he is entitled to receive liquidated damages, which would end negotiations
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 4:58 pm to
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I was just pointing out that the contract states it must be done via written communication to him and until that is done
The contract does not state that he must be terminated by written communication directed to him. It merely requires written notice to him.

The Athletic Department's press release constitutes written notice.
This post was edited on 11/13/25 at 5:09 pm
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 4:58 pm to
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As long as the Damascus sword of for cause hangs out there the negotiations simply can't go on in good faith, the parties will be too far apart.


Boom.

Kelly responded the way an attorney worth his salt would have advised.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 4:58 pm to
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I am a real lawyer.

Section 11.A clearly permits Kelly opportunities to cure, contest, and appeal a contemplated termination for cause.


What's your take on "if curable"?
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 4:59 pm to
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Correct. And 11 A 2 states the termination date is the date the initial termination date is given.

Kelly just needs to wait until LSU sends him a written notice. Until then, LSU is required to pay him the contract terms… not any of the terminated clause payouts.


We are on the same page
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:02 pm to
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Logic would tell you they did not hear this before that as they would not have kept communicating with LSU.


I still wonder why this wouldn't have been communicated when they told him he was fired and offered $25M during the meeting. My logic would tell me this would be the correct time to at least mention it.
Posted by bayouboo
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:02 pm to
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The contract does not state that he must be terminated by written communication to him. It merely requires written notice.


11 A says “to employee”.
11 B 1 says “to employee and company”.

Maybe we are looking at different contracts.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9283 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:04 pm to
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which would end negotiations


Why?

See Obtuses post. Until LSU or the court decides if this is with or without cause, all talks are stopped.

What prevents a settlement after that?
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:06 pm to
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quote:

My statement is correct. Kelly's lawsuit is a declaratory judgment action. It simply asks the court to confirm that LSU’s termination of Coach Kelly is without cause.
and that he is entitled to receive liquidated damages, which would end negotiations
The latter automatically follows the former.

If he was not terminated for case, he is entitled to liquidated damages:
quote:

LSU shall have the right to terminate this Agreement without cause upon written notice to Employee and Company. In such event, LSU will pay Employee and Company, as applicable, liquidated damages in lieu of any and all other legal remedies or equitable relief as detailed below and as provided in Schedule A.
The negotiations merely involve whether LSU is willing to make one or more lump-sum payments, and therefore, the amount of those payments.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:07 pm to
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The contract does not state that he must be terminated by written communication to him. It merely requires written notice.


Tell us what we are missing - per the contract:

Termination with Cause - "This agreement may be terminated for "cause" by LSU, acting through the President, at any time prior to its expiration, upon written notice to Employee

Termination without cause - "LSU shall have the right to terminate the Agreement without cause upon written notice to Employee

Termination by Employee - written notice to LSU

Brian gave notice of his termination to LSU in an email, but LSU gave no such notice? (I'm being stupid with this comment, sort of)



Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9283 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:09 pm to
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My logic would tell me this would be the correct time to at least mention it.


I think your reasoning and intelligence surpasses the guys handling this at LSU.

Obtuses post is spot on. The minute they got word of potential for cause firing, talks ended.

No way in my mind does BK send a letter to LSU if he had been threatened. No freaking way.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23222 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:11 pm to
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The latter automatically follows the former.


I understand that, but if LSU issues a statement to make it moot, they would also lose the opportunity to continue negotiation

quote:

The negotiations merely involve whether LSU is willing to make one or more lump-sum payments, and therefore, the amount of those payments.


The negotiations remove the mitigation clause, which is what was actually being negotiated. The amount of lump sum is fairly arbitrary if they are dictated by the liquidated damages
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7724 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:11 pm to
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11 A says “to employee”.
11 B 1 says “to employee and company”.

Maybe we are looking at different contracts.
I amended my statement.

The contract does not require written notice directed solely to him.

It merely requires a written document, and that he have notice of it. The Athletic Department's press release suffices.

Moreover, it's too late for LSU to terminate with cause. LSU already terminated him, and LSU did not give him an opportunity to cure, contest, or appeal.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7724 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:13 pm to
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I understand that, but if LSU issues a statement to make it moot, they would also lose the opportunity to continue negotiation
Admitting that it fired Kelly without cause has no impact on the settlement negotiations over the value, if any to Kelly, of the mitigation clause. That is a wholly separate issue.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23222 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:16 pm to
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I think your reasoning and intelligence surpasses the guys handling this at LSU.


I unfortunately agree (that they didn't actually document)

quote:

No way in my mind does BK send a letter to LSU if he had been threatened. No freaking way.


The question remains, why were they so far apart and how did they end so abruptly. Again, not asking you for that answer, but it is clear there is something we don't know going on.
Posted by bayouboo
Member since Jan 2007
3654 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:17 pm to
We’ll probably never know. I can’t believe this won’t get settled before the end of the year.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23222 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:17 pm to
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Admitting that it fired Kelly without cause has no impact on the settlement negotiations over the value, if any to Kelly, of the mitigation clause. That is a wholly separate issue.


Of course it does
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7724 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:24 pm to
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What's your take on "if curable"?
Assuming for the sake argument that the cause was not curable, he still has the contractual right to contest and the contractual right to appeal. He was NOT given the opportunity to invoke either right before he was terminated "effective immediately."
This post was edited on 11/13/25 at 5:36 pm
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9283 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 5:25 pm to
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Of course it does


Not at all, unless you believe the threat of firing for cause is part of the negotiation.

All it does is put them back at day one. The contract as written is still valid and they could still have a settlement.

I believe thus exact scenario happens.

LSU responds by admitting it’s a firing without cause, a number to settle is reached and it’s over.
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