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Posted on 6/6/13 at 2:43 pm to
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 2:43 pm to
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That is an incorrect statement. He can hit for average and he can hit for power.


Mike Trout can impact the game positively with his bat, his glove, and his speed.
Cabrera can impact the game positively with his bat. He is one-dimensional.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 2:46 pm to
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Cabrera can impact the game positively with his bat. He is one-dimensional.


Dude, you just said that hitting is more complicated than just average and power, but now you're saying that even though he is ELITE at both, he's one-dimensional. Make up your mind...
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 2:48 pm to
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Dude, you just said that hitting is more complicated than just average and power, but now you're saying that even though he is ELITE at both, he's one-dimensional. Make up your mind...


Please quit replying. You clearly have zero reading comprehension because you've taken stuff out of context the entire thread. He's a fricking elite hitter. I never said he wasnt. He's ONLY a fricking elite hitter. Mike Trout is an elite hitter as well. He's also an elite CF. He's also an elite baserunner. Is that spelled out enough for you?
This post was edited on 6/6/13 at 2:51 pm
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 2:49 pm to


You got it, wise guy!
Posted by MOT
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 2:52 pm to
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(except for Houston this year lol)


If you're as big of a saber fan as you're making it out to be you should love what the Astros are doing.
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 2:56 pm to
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If you're as big of a saber fan as you're making it out to be you should love what the Astros are doing.


Why is it that everything I state, you all interpret it completely different from the way it is meant to be read. I was OBVIOUSLY making a point about the differences in talent discrepancy when comparing college baseball to MLB as a backing statement to support my "LSU is way more talented" than just about every team we play. In MLB, they are all fairly close talent wise, except obviously Houston this year who is very comparable to a AAA team. I never said that Houston's approach isnt sound or that their front office personnel arent sabermetrically inclinced. Why are you implying this?
This post was edited on 6/6/13 at 2:57 pm
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 2:56 pm to
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Is that spelled out enough for you?


Sure, why not. You're grossly underestimating just how superior and elite Cabrerra is at the plate, though. Hitting for the Triple Crown is... kind of a big deal. Might be too Old School for you to process, as the last time it happened was '67.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 2:57 pm to
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I was OBVIOUSLY making a point about the differences in talent discrepancy when comparing college baseball to MLB as a backing statement to support my "LSU is way more talented" than just about every team we play.


That doesn't make it alright to bat Ibarra leadoff. Sorry, guy.
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:01 pm to
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Sure, why not. You're grossly underestimating just how superior and elite Cabrerra is at the plate, though. Hitting for the Triple Crown is... kind of a big deal. Might be too Old School for you to process, as the last time it happened was '67.


So if Josh Hamilton hits one more home run that year and Cabrera doesnt win the outright triple crown, does that diminish his offensive achievement? No it doesnt. You know why? Because that would be fricking stupid. Once again, Cabrera had 447 total bases to Trout's 431. He was not that much better than Trout last year, strictly from an offensive standpoint. And RBI's are pretty much meaningless in the grand scheme of things. They tell a person how many times a player came up to the plate with his teammates on base. It is solely dependant on opportunity.
This post was edited on 6/6/13 at 3:07 pm
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:03 pm to
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That doesn't make it alright to bat Ibarra leadoff. Sorry, guy.


Why not? You certainly wouldnt hit Rhymes, Bregman or Katz there. Who else is there? The only other one is Jones but he doesnt get on base enough either. Why in the hell cant you bat Ibarra there? Because he's not as fast as Laird lol?
Posted by uway
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:08 pm to
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The principle bottom line to all of this is that on no planet should Christian Ibarra hit leadoff with Alex Bregman behind him.


Why not?

Please respond with something other than "b/c it's stupid".

I have the same "old-school" beliefs about lineup as most of you, but it doesn't make sense to lead off with one of your worst hitters, no matter how fast he is.
Posted by dnm3305
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:10 pm to
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but it doesn't make sense to lead off with one of your worst hitters, no matter how fast he is.


ding ding ding!
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:10 pm to
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And RBI's are pretty much meaningless in the grand scheme of things. They tell a person how many times a player came up to the plate with his teammates on base.


RBI = Runs batted in. Not "times I came to the plate with runners on base."

Sure, it definitely helps to for your teammates to get on base, but you can't just diminish his value because of it. You've got to actually hit the guys in.

FWIW, Trout left more men on base in scoring position last year than Cabrerra.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:14 pm to
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but it doesn't make sense to lead off with one of your worst hitters, no matter how fast he is.

What's awesome here is that one of our worst hitters is batting .287 with a .355 OBP as a true freshman and is one of the fastest guys on the team.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:15 pm to
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You certainly wouldnt hit Rhymes, Bregman or Katz there.


I'd rather Bregman over Ibarra leading off by a mile. He's faster and has incredible baserunning instincts.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:16 pm to
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Because he's not as fast as Laird lol?


What's so funny about wanting speed at the top of your lineup?
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:16 pm to
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FWIW, Trout left more men on base in scoring position last year than Cabrerra.


And Trout had a higher OBP, offensive WAR (and regular WAR), Scored 20 more runs, had a higher adjusted OPS, all while Cabrera lead the league in grounding into double-plays with 28. That's alot of rally-killers.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:17 pm to
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What's so funny about wanting speed at the top of your lineup


It's funny because it's fricking stupid that people dont realize that getting on base is a prerequisite to using that speed. He doesnt use it anyway. He's a whopping 6/10 in stolen bases this year.
This post was edited on 6/6/13 at 3:19 pm
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:17 pm to
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What's awesome here is that one of our worst hitters is batting .287 with a .355 OBP as a true freshman and is one of the fastest guys on the team.


If you want to bat Laird #1 b/c his OBP is pretty good that's fine.

But don't tell me it's crazy to bat Ibarra there just b/c he's not skinny and fast.

Personally I think Ibarra would wreck shop at lead off and we'd score a bunch of runs.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:18 pm to
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Scored 20 more runs


You pull this out, yet you cite Cabrerra's 20 more total bases as insignificant.
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