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re: What's the latest on McMullen?
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:19 pm to dnm3305
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:19 pm to dnm3305
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It's funny because it's fricking stupid that people dont realize that getting on base is a prerequisite to using that speed.
And it's also fricking stupid that you don't realize that if someone gets on, but theyre slow as shite they will have a more difficult time scoring.
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:19 pm to dnm3305
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The two best hitters bat 2nd and 4th
Dude GTFO
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:21 pm to dnm3305
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Everything ive stated so far throughout this thread would be backed by this book
So, you read a book and you think you know baseball? Well guess what? YOU DONT
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:21 pm to uway
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But don't tell me it's crazy to bat Ibarra there just b/c he's not skinny and fast.
No, I'm going to tell you that it is crazy to bat Ibarra in the leadoff spot because he is a fantastic run producer and is tied for second on the team in homeruns and has the third highest OPS on the team.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:22 pm to dnm3305
I was just joking, I'm a big Astros fan. That probably wasn't the best place for me to joke about it with everything else going on.
Carry on.
Carry on.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:23 pm to dnm3305
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using that speed
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He doesnt use it anyway. He's a whopping 6/10 in stolen bases this year.
This proves right there that you don't really know that much about baseball if you think being fast means you will steal bases.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:23 pm to lsu2006
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You pull this out, yet you cite Cabrerra's 20 more total bases as insignificant.
Dude, you have put words into my mouth this entire time. I showed total bases to contradict a claim Cabrera was vastly superior. He was in fact barely superior. He only had 20 more total bases.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:25 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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No, I'm going to tell you that it is crazy to bat Ibarra in the leadoff spot because he is a fantastic run producer and is tied for second on the team in homeruns and has the third highest OPS on the team.
Just a little bit of research:
Ibarra has gotten on base 102 times this year to Laird's 87, yet Laird has scored 46 runs to Ibarra's 34.
This guy doesn't seem to understand the importance of having speed at the top of the lineup. Getting on base is great, but if you can't get around the bases, and have someone behind you to knock you in... Who gives a frick how many times you get on?
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:26 pm to lsu2006
Yall still going with this dude?
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:26 pm to dnm3305
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He only had 20 more total bases.
OK - if that's not a big deal, then the fact that Trout scored 20 more runs also isn't a big deal. See what I did there?
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:26 pm to AstroTiger
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Yall still going with this dude?
Yeah, I'm growing a little weary though
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:27 pm to lsu2006
Yeah his argument is so flawed. Take one of the best run producers on the team OUT of a run producing spot in the lineup and plug him into a spot where no one is on base while he is hitting and replace his run producing spot in the lineup with someone that is not as good of a run producer. Seems successful to me.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:29 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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This proves right there that you don't really know that much about baseball if you think being fast means you will steal bases.
Damn, ya got me.
Nope, being fast also helps you when going 1st to 3rd, or scoring from 1st on a double in the gap or down the line, or legging out a triple on a line shot down 1st base line. It helps you stretch a single into a double (Laird has 6, Ibarra has 17). It also puts more pressure on the pitcher (well usually it does, because most of the time someone with great speed is a threat to steal which can change a pitchers pitch sequence, an opposing manager with pitch outs, etc. Laird is 6/10 so we cant really say he's a stolen base threat now can we?) and the defense plays more on their toes knowing they have a fast runner, especially when SS and 2B are positioned at double play depth. The real value of Laird's speed is on defense, which means hitting him leadoff is stupid.
This post was edited on 6/6/13 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:31 pm to lsu2006
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OK - if that's not a big deal, then the fact that Trout scored 20 more runs also isn't a big deal. See what I did there?
yea I see what you did there. You implied that a base is = to a run. idiot.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:31 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Yeah his argument is so flawed. Take one of the best run producers on the team OUT of a run producing spot in the lineup and plug him into a spot where no one is on base while he is hitting and replace his run producing spot in the lineup with someone that is not as good of a run producer. Seems successful to me.
He might not understand that Ibarra can't bat 1st AND 5th.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:34 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Take one of the best run producers on the team OUT of a run producing spot in the lineup and plug him into a spot where no one is on base while he is hitting and replace his run producing spot in the lineup with someone that is not as good of a run producer. Seems successful to me.
And certainly, by taking that run producer in the 5 spot who is also tremendous OBP guy and putting him in the front of the lineup so that he can be on base for the other 3 runs producers to drive him in, would in no way shape or form compensate for losing Ibarra's bat in the 5th spot, right?
This post was edited on 6/6/13 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:37 pm to dnm3305
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You implied that a base is = to a run. idiot.
So are runs and RBI important or not?
You never addressed the fact that Ibarra has gotten on base 15 more times than Laird but has scored 12 less runs.
Again, who cares if you can get on base if you can't run the bases and there is less pop in the lineup behind you?
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:47 pm to dnm3305
I think what you are trying to do is get into a science of numbers with sabermetrics, but you aren't applying the science properly. Yeah, we want more ABs for the high OBP guys, but there is more to baseball and a lineup than that. You need to have guys in the best position to succeed as a group, not just individually. No one loves numbers and/or baseball more than me, but these formulas cannot be applied to every team and situation.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 3:48 pm to dnm3305
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And certainly, by taking that run producer in the 5 spot who is also tremendous OBP guy and putting him in the front of the lineup so that he can be on base for the other 3 runs producers to drive him in, would in no way shape or form compensate for losing Ibarra's bat in the 5th spot, right?
No, it really wouldn't. Hence the reason why your strategy is only believed to be true by 1% of people as you said earlier. Bregs, Katz and Rhymes aren't going to drive runs in every single time. What makes our lineup so scary is the protection that the guys in the middle provide for each other and the fact that if you get one guy out, the next guy is just as capable of driving in the run as the last one was. If you were to remove one of our best run producers from the 5 hole, Katz would lose a lot of protection in the 4 hole, which is where you suggested putting him. Pitchers would have more of an ability to get one guy out and pitch around the next one and get to someone who isn't quite as big of a run producer as Ibarra is.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 4:08 pm to lsu2006
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Ibarra has gotten on base 102 times this year to Laird's 87, yet Laird has scored 46 runs to Ibarra's 34.
Oh, yea. And that has nothing to do with the fact that Laird has two of the best hitters in the country hitting behind him (and Ibarra for that matter) and those same two hitters are batting in front of Ibarra. It has nothing to do with that right? I mean, there's no way Ibarra hasnt scored as many runs because Jones, Ross, and Stevenson have been hitting behind him all year right? Cant be. It just cant be. It's all about Laird's speed.
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