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re: What specifically is your beef with Coach E's offense?

Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:50 am to
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
47387 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:50 am to
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Runs that start out going sideways, going for a field goal in the TAM game when a TD would have won the game. Still POed about that series.


The FG was bad. Running the HB pass to a wide open receiver on the following series made it worse.

I guess the game winning series wasn't the right time for that play call.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75734 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:50 am to
How do we beat Bama?

We are not going to be more talented than them, and when it comes down to it they’re going to out “execute” us because we rely solely on talent.

We don’t trick them. They predict all of our plays.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34166 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:07 am to
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Matt Canada took that same offensive talent on the road and put up nearly as many yards in one game than Ensminger has in two.


This is not going to go over well with those who get paid by LSU to post on message boards. They posted relentlessly that Canada was a terrible OC and had beef with O and Aranda.

The fact of the matter is Canada at least made an attempt to win the game vs Bama.

I miss Canada and even Cam Cameron
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282364 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:08 am to
Red Zone. Improve that and the running game (personnel) and it's clicking
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89806 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:11 am to
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Red Zone. Improve that and the running game (personnel) and it's clicking


Is it too much to ask for a handful of well executed screen passes too?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282364 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:14 am to
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I miss Canada and even Cam Cameron


They're doing awesome things right now
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
86842 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:15 am to
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Prepare for a bunch of jokes about how old he is and that he’s a terrible coordinator...with no specifics about formations or what he should have done differently.


You come late to the thread and post this bullshite, and it wasn't even close to the truth.

You guys are hilarious.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 11:17 am
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
11700 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:34 am to
-Redzone offense ( why were we not trying to use our 6'5 WRs? Play calling was very vanilla)
-Never rolled the pocket for Burrow
-Continued use of long play action passes against Bama/UF when LSU could barely give Burrow time in the first place
-Game plan seemed very scripted. SE would start with a great game plan, but once the defense adjusted he had nothing to counter with.
- Inability to run simple screen plays
Posted by MFV
Member since Oct 2008
910 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:41 am to
I'm just not sure we can be effective with a "multiple offense". There is a reason most teams run the spread or some version of it. It is simpler offense to implement. Considering the practice time restrictions and the fact most of these kids were in spread systems during their high school days I think the days of the more traditional pro style offenses being effective in college are past us.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14969 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:44 am to
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The Pirate King
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Prepare for a bunch of jokes about how old he is and that he’s a terrible coordinator...with no specifics about formations or what he should have done differently.

There were some questionable playcalls, but I found the design to be pretty good, but every time he would break out of the shell, the o-line would shite the bed and it was back to stage 1.



You're an idiot. He ran tons of option routes for the primary reads. Which prevented our two 5* Star Freshman WR's from being getting anything but one-two looks per game unless we checked down. In which case they weren't primary reads to make the best use of the scheme to allow their talent to win one-on-ones.

He ran tons of east/west runs that were dumb in the SEC and even dumber in our Bowl Game with a team that could only use speed and numbers against the run. This is a, "we're gonna do what I like," and not a, "we're gonna run what we are good at," or, "we're gonna take what they give us," type of philosophy. Which is what the last guy did through a neverending cavalcade of coordinators.

Which is why he ain't here.

Max protect, two man route concepts versus Dime and Dime+ coverage looks to combat a pass rush was equally dumb as a philosophy. It was called out by Matt Flynn in real-time on Social Media, and no less than 2 weeks ago you saw an NFL Team play in New Orleans that went 5 wides and shredded the Saints and totally negated a fierce pass rush in the process. Throwing boundary screens and slants to get the quick pass game going and replace the run. Before going over the top when we walked the corners up to take it away.

That you can't see Bama has made the change and that we haven't and can't understand that the game has changed shows that you think a lot like Ensminger...and that's a large part of the problem with a lot of the fanbase.

You need to understand the game changed...and that we need to evolve with it. Not reach back for a coordinator from 20 years ago to help us.

That ain't how you get back to the promised land.
Posted by Old Money
LSU
Member since Sep 2012
39675 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:52 am to
- poor red zone execution
- TE's not used enough in passing plays, moreau has such good hands and we never threw to him
- offense is uncreative to the point during games like auburn we had to be bailed out by PI calls to win the games
- our offense felt exposed by many teams, it wasnt we took our foot off the pedal as much as our inability to score any more points.
- I felt our playbook lacked imagination. Every other team I watch has some special plays/distractions especially in the red zone that lead to TDs. LSU frustratingly showed 0 creativity in play calling compared to most other programs
- lack of scoring means another year of the defense on the field too much leading to some losses in games we should easily be winning
- 2 years of 0 pts against Alabama
Posted by RoaringTiger33
Member since Jun 2011
567 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:53 am to
The run game is trash. The stretch / inside zone / outside zone runs are very slow and we're very bad at it, mainly bc zone blocking relies on the same OL working together, typically for years. LSU has exceled at hat-on-a-hat striaght ahead blocking, trapping here & there yet with SE, we don't do that any more and the results speak for themselves.

Bigger issue is nothing really sets anything else up. There's no apparent 'plan', as if plays are being called at random like on a video game.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282364 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:53 am to
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Redzone offense ( why were we not trying to use our 6'5 WRs? Play calling was very vanilla)


I think we can all agree this was a primary problem
Posted by LSUfonte
South Texas
Member since Jan 2004
7961 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 12:27 pm to
Well for starters, 0 points in 8 quarters.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 12:29 pm to
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Go to an FCS school and let it ride, scoring exactly 0 on Alabama for two straight years is unacceptable as is squandering red zone after red zone try.


IMHO, he is failing if one is expecting to be near the top of the CFB polls, meaning playoffs on a regular basis. The offense is awful. It was bad enough against an awful defense in the Fiesta bowl to keep it close. Anyone who thinks LSU has a competent offense is ignorant or delusional or both. E is not the guy.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
17634 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 12:35 pm to
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It took Ensminger an entire quarter to call the go's and streak routes to take the top off of the Defense. When he did, it resulted in TD's. To his credit we continued to attack, but we won't always have the luxury of an outclassed Secondary like versus UCF. We have to be quicker to recognize what's going on on the field and react to it with playcalling using the right personnel.

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Max protect is yet another sign that Ensminger is very limited and very antiquated in his understanding of how to make a Defense pay for sending the dogs on a fire. Which was my worry all along.
These two, alone, are root causes and reason enough to decide to make a change.

These two are philosophical. Your gameplan comes from your philosophy, and you play calls come from your gameplan (or refusal to change it mid-stream). Can gripe all we want about playcalls, wrongly, because they are the symptom, not the disease. The disease is lodged in that philosophy.

It's like the difference between Haig in WWI sending wave after wave to die on the Somme because that's the plan and it is a good plan so if we keep doing it, it will work... eventually, versus Schwarzkopf in Gulf War I with his left hook trapping the Revolutionary Guard in no mans land. Both plans could've been blowed up. One was because the plan was tied to an idea that was faulty with no options.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34166 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 12:51 pm to
excellent post
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 12:56 pm to
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Not Es fault OL jumps off sides or they or back miss protection


Why is it NOT his fault. Do the playoff teams have those kinds of problems. In college it is 100% on the coaches 100% of the time. Do you just not get this. E and O are not getting things done on offense. The offense is little more than a steaming pile of prairie biscuits when you look at how they played against 2nd tier teams like La Tech or Southeastern for heaven's sake. They need a new direction wh8ich means new management. That's it.

I'll say it now. The offense will be at best marginally better next year. Mark it and feel free to throw it in my face if I am wrong.

Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 12:58 pm to
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FWIW, we have a really good place kicker coming in next year.


While this may turn out to be true, it is a stunningly naive statement. We have no idea how he will actually perform. Geezum...
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 1:03 pm to
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when the oline can barely block teams not blitzing it usually means the TE has to block during blitzes


This mentality is exactly the problem with the play-calling and scheme. The philosophy sucks. When your offensive line is struggling you don't go to max protect. When you go max protect you end up with one or two receiver routes against a 4 man secondary and at least 1 and possibly 3 linebackers. Nobody gets open at that point and your quarterback ends up running for his life anyway or forces a ball into coverage that gets picked.

Teams have figured out that the way you mask deficiencies in your offensive line in the pass game is to spread the defense out and give your quarterback multiple options with quick-hitting routes, RPOs, designed QB runs, screen passes, rub routes, bunch formations, Etc. That's how guys like Mike Leach and Chris Petersen you're able to beat four and five star teams with their two and three star teams.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 1:05 pm
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