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re: what motivates a fan to find every negative about LSU
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:03 pm to lsusteve1
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:03 pm to lsusteve1
quote:
A. They aren't really a fan
B. They are fricking miserable
C. Want to be "that" person that goes against the grain.
D. All of the above
I think LSUSteve has it right. I think it's a combination of types. I think a few of them are:
1 - Ringers: Not really LSU fans at all. Probably fans of some smaller or less successful school that enjoys prodding LSU.
2 - Sophists - Just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Fond of debating for the sake of debating and using rhetorical methods.
3 - QC'ers - A type that likes to critique others in an area where they know they will never have to actually perform themselves. Kind of like Quality Control people in a plant or inspector general types.
4 - Spurned Husbands - can't get over their first wife who left them to shack up with a professional and then moved back into the neighborhood to live with one of their neighbors. No one will ever measure up to her in their eyes and thus they will never have another happy relationship.
5 - Johnnys come lately - Just haven't had enough experience following a team to handle the ups and downs any program goes through over the years.
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Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:09 pm to samaham
[quote] but a truly great coach builds on success and keeps his team playing at a consistently high level (see Saban). And we're just not seeing that from Miles.
Yeah, because we're not undefeated, #3, won 41 non-conference games in a row, 21 straight home games. Mile hasn't won 80 percent of his games.
People never cease to amaze me.
Yeah, because we're not undefeated, #3, won 41 non-conference games in a row, 21 straight home games. Mile hasn't won 80 percent of his games.
People never cease to amaze me.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:12 pm to JaxTigah
Grandad I will tell you my personal reason and I have been a Miles supporter. Product on the field on offense period. No imagination and absoulutely no change from 1-9. After all this time to practice this is what we have. The exact same brand of offense from last year. That worries me because this team can not win like last years, and Miles can't figure out how to tweak his offense to be more productive.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:19 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:Too much sugar in the tank...
what motivates a fan to find every negative about LSU
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:20 pm to MarlinMan
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The desire to be better than Bama !!!!
And this is what most of the Sabanista's are driven by I think. What they fail to realize is that Bama isn't better than us because Saban is there, Bama has been better at football than LSU for 100 YEARS! Except for that little stretch in the early 2000's when they were recovering from probation, Bama's program has been more successful than ours throughout history.
This stretch Miles has authored has been the most competitive we have been with Bama in our history. (except for the aforementioned probation period which just so happened to coincide with Saban's era here).
Miles gets no credit for having us on what is virtually equal footing with Bama while the Tide is going through it's most successful period in the modern era. The rest of the country views LSU as the only hope to stop the "red menance". The haters totally miss this in their myopic hatred of all things Les Miles.
What Miles is doing at LSU, is more unique for our program's history than is what Saban is doing for Bama.
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:28 pm to Corn Dawg Nation
quote:If you are referring to 1/9, how many times does it have to be said by so many along these threads: we hated to lose, but it was the way LSU lost that sticks in everybody's craw. LSU lost without really taking the fight to Bama. And Alabama had already been beaten by LSU once that same season. But on 1/9, LSU came out and played the role of hapless Tulane on offense, not Tigers. This was not the team that was #1 and unbeaten in 13 games. That's coaching. And that's the frustration so many LSU fans felt/feel about that. Bama had an appropriate game plan; but totally out of character for that season - LSU had nothing to work with that day.
Do you ever think that we could've been beat by a better team on a given day?
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:28 pm to Corn Dawg Nation
quote:Do you think Alabama was just a better team?
Do you ever think that we could've been beat by a better team on a given day?
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:29 pm to JaxTigah
Everybody has different tolerance levels. For some of the old farts, they have seen LSU before 2003 and they understand the ebb and flow of the team's success.
The lows for the new fans are any season without a national title while the old farts appreciate a 10-2 season. This difference primarily dictates the tolerance levels when it comes to play on the field and go for the panic buttons. And, that's when then they dig everything negative and want to start all over with a different coach/scheme/qbs/rbs/grass/stadium/uniforms/colors/logos/mascots/ and what not.
The lows for the new fans are any season without a national title while the old farts appreciate a 10-2 season. This difference primarily dictates the tolerance levels when it comes to play on the field and go for the panic buttons. And, that's when then they dig everything negative and want to start all over with a different coach/scheme/qbs/rbs/grass/stadium/uniforms/colors/logos/mascots/ and what not.
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:31 pm to alajones
quote:
Product on the field on offense period. No imagination and absoulutely no change from 1-9. After all this time to practice this is what we have. The exact same brand of offense from last year. That worries me because this team can not win like last years, and Miles can't figure out how to tweak his offense to be more productive.
Here are facts:
2012 run pass total
week 1 316 192 508
week 2 242 195 437
week 3 250 222 472
week 4 182 169 351
week 5 158 238 396
2164
2011
week 1 175 98 273
week 2 175 225 400
week 3 148 213 361
week 4 186 180 366
week 5 179 169 348
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Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:31 pm to That One
I remember quite well what things were like before 2003. I just think we have higher standards now. Anything less than 2010 is considered a disappointing season.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:38 pm to alajones
quote:Yes, I go back a long way too. And because I remember the futility years and the Cholly Mac Era and even a little bit of Paul Dietzel, the current times are the best and the worst of times because we have finally reached the crest of the wave in terms of the dream of really being an elite team. The loss to Alabama - and I'm talking about how we lost, not that we lost (no disgrace in losing when you are in the game) - that was a bit of a setback and a permanant * on CLM's historic tenure.
I remember quite well what things were like before 2003.
Don't misunderstand - I'm not bashing CLM - and I'm not wanting Satan back. But I am saying for somebody who has kept LSU up in the realm of excellence and all, and I give CLM total props for that great achievement - and after such a great season as 2011, how can he turn around then and lay such a massive, stinking coaching egg as he did on 1/9?
Enigma. I hate enigmas.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:49 pm to TigerFanNKaty
quote:
No imagination and absoulutely no change from 1-9. After all this time to practice this is what we have. The exact same brand of offense from last year.
This is an interesting take. I haven't studied the stats so they might back that up. But the impression I get isn't that there has been no change from last year to this year on offense. My general feeling is that early last year (primarily with Lee) there was good success passing and running. The only shortcoming I saw were the INT's against Bama in the regular season game. Under JJ there was an emphasis on the run and decreasing success passing, and then in running, especially in the last few games. This year, it seems to me that they have made more of an effort passing, especially early in games and that the problems have primarily been fumbles - from the QB and the RB's and some problems with dropped passes.
Perhaps some diligent TD'er has gone through the trouble of compiling things like passing attempts per game from the beginning of last year, the end of last year and so far this year.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:57 pm to Methuselah
The stats are a little misleading I think. We owned the TO margin and our defense set us up with shorter fields last year. Plus we had much stiffer competetion through 5 games.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 1:39 pm to alajones
quote:
Do you think Alabama was just a better team?
Football on any level is not, nor has it ever been, about who is the better team. It is about who is better TODAY. Any team on any given day can win. That is that joy of football and why it is the greatest sport IMO.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 1:53 pm to LSU GrandDad
they're bama fans posing as lsu fans prolly
Posted on 10/3/12 at 1:57 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:
what motivates a fan to find every negative about LSU
Your answer didn't take long:
quote:
Ok grand pops
The answer is usually a combination of age and a bloated sense of post-2003 entitlement.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 2:05 pm to lsusteve1
quote:
A. They aren't really a fan
B. They are fricking miserable
C. Want to be "that" person that goes against the grain.
D. All of the above
It's hard to improve on this answer, but I'd add they're not only people who like to go against the grain, they're also that brand of idiot who thinks it's sophisticated to be cynical. They're the malcontents who can't wait to jump on fellow LSU fans for having "purple and gold sunglasses" on, as if that's inappropriate on an LSU fan discussion board, and they rush to the defense of the fans of other schools against their fellow LSU fans. Ya know, basically sacks of shite.
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 10/3/12 at 2:08 pm to LSU GrandDad
They think it makes them look smart or different.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 2:10 pm to emcee422
quote:
They weren't fans before 2003
Well I was
Posted on 10/3/12 at 3:12 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
And Alabama had already been beaten by LSU once that same season. But on 1/9, LSU came out and played the role of hapless Tulane on offense, not Tigers. This was not the team that was #1 and unbeaten in 13 games. That's coaching. And that's the frustration so many LSU fans felt/feel about that. Bama had an appropriate game plan; but totally out of character for that season - LSU had nothing to work with that day.
This is what I mean when I say that Miles is blamed for the BCSCG but doesn't get credit for being 13-0. Coaching did both. He laid an egg in the ship no doubt. But he is also the one who got us there in the first place. 13-0 was coaching too.
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