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re: What is your X’s and O’s critique of McMahon and MBB?

Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:10 am to
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:10 am to
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You’re taking a result and projecting it onto players and situations prior to the actual season. Gaines was here 2 years ago and opponents wouldn’t even guard him. He was behind Cam Thomas, our worst defender by a lot, in defensive win shares and last on the team in +/-. Tari Eason had a similar arc, went from 0.9 DWS at Cincinnati to 2.5 under Wade at LSU. That’s a huge jump. Same for Darius Days, went from awful defender who couldn’t guard any position to a very good defender. You see the common denominator here? These guys were not “great defenders” prior to last season, changes were made by the coach and they were developed into highly productive defensive players after the fact. As far as the talent and size statements those have been debunked dozens upon dozens of times so I won’t waste time doing that again.


Jesus. You are a fricking idiot to claim that WW somehow schemed a defense.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59308 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:15 am to
Lmfao you’re so ignorant you can’t tell that the defense was completely changed from the previous 2 seasons. You really don’t know anything about basketball that an 8 year old doesn’t know.
Posted by PNG Futbol
Member since Aug 2022
605 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 3:35 am to
Wade's defense in his last season at LSU was one of the best in the country. He has done numerous interviews and podcasts explaining what his philosophy was and how it developed over time. He goes into great detail from the overall construct down to particular detail on how each player acts in every situation.

Wade was the most consistently successful coach at LSU since the late 80s and early 90s Dale Brown.

McMahon will likely be at LSU for 3 or 4 more years before we move on to another hope.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
46886 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 6:02 am to
He uses X’s for our offense and O’s for the defense. He should use O’s for our offense and X’s for our defense.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
16561 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 6:30 am to
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Defense is just that we don't have the team speed or length for a full court press. Our strategy has to be just to get back to prevent transition buckets.


This I don't agree with it - we have kids with length and athleticism on the roster that would be great at pressing and trapping. We just don't do it.
Posted by rutiger
purgatory
Member since Jun 2007
21595 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 6:30 am to
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The offense runs good sets.


Maybe for a middle school team.
Posted by rutiger
purgatory
Member since Jun 2007
21595 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 6:32 am to
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running fast and dunking hard are indicators of superior athleticism and defensive potential. these players this year are not long explosive athletes, and have a far lower defensive ceiling.


You should try watching some basketball, superior athleticism has nothing to do with playing good defense.
Posted by TommyDaTiger
Nawlins
Member since Dec 2015
11117 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 6:35 am to
Sometimes it’s not about the X’s and O’s It’s about the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s. We have no players
Posted by HighRoller
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2011
4992 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 6:43 am to
You have the second leading scorer in the SEC and a top 20 recruiting class. You shouldn’t be getting blown out by a team that just fired their coach.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4980 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:16 am to
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Coach K, Bobby Knight, Chuck Daley in the NBA… these teams never switched on every screen. The man guarding the ball closed the gap and went over the screen. The man guarding the screener sagged and helped to slow down the man with the ball in case his teammate was not getting over the screen quickly and then hustled back to his man.


Modern basketball is alot of switching and not just on ball screens. Switching everything takes away most actions and with a shot clock alot of times teams don't have enough time to exploit the matchup they want. Generally teams that switch everything either auto double the post or front the post and use backside help on a lob or high low entry.

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The man guarding the ball closed the gap and went over the screen. The man guarding the screener sagged and helped to slow down the man with the ball in case his teammate was not getting over the screen quickly and then hustled back to his man.


I'm assuming you are describing a ball screen and roll situation. In this example somebody has to tag the roller until the sag guy can recover to him allowing a quick pass to an open guy forcing the defense into rotations which the offense can attack. Switching keeps this from happening all together. The only thing switching makes you vulnerable too is slips but this can be negated by getting under the man you switch to instead up getting up the line.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 11:17 am
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
36624 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 11:53 am to
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This I don't agree with it - we have kids with length and athleticism on the roster that would be great at pressing and trapping. We just don't do it.
Once again, pressing and trapping have nothing to do with not using a full court press. Our half court defense right now isn't really an issue. And while we could trap more, I don't think this group would be effective at it. Reed, Fountain, and Ward foul entirely too much as it is.
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
1639 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:17 pm to
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mmcgrath


Dummy give it up. You obviously are outclassed here in basketball knowledge like most topics so stop. And I noticed your comment about RA’ing him??? What a punk move over nothing. Just like a liberal to throw a temper tantrum when they don’t get their way or get owned on something (not all libs just the baby ones like him).

Back on topic one thing not mentioned or maybe I missed it is that Wade was/is a HUGE analytics guy and said from his hiring interview through that they would adjust a lot using analytics. And he did that. It was very impressive to see him go from bottom defense to to top and win with it when he won with offense and a more forced turnovers focused defense previously.

Now we just need Alt to get in here. I always appreciate his observations along with a bunch of y’all.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59308 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:19 pm to
He’s the most ignorant poster I’ve ever seen. Dude is a complete dumb frick.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
16561 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:33 pm to
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Our half court defense right now isn't really an issue.


We're watching as seeing two different teams then, I totally disagree. Did you watch the Ole Miss game, or even the Vandy game we won for that matter?

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I don't think this group would be effective at it. Reed, Fountain, and Ward foul entirely too much as it is.



Again I disagree and you don't have to do it 40 minutes a game, just more than the 5 minutes we've done all season. When you struggle for long periods of time all season on offense you have to do some things to help create points. They have long athletic guys - and as for the fouling - you practice it - you teach pressing and trapping without fouling. and you play the guys who do it best in practice.
Posted by rutiger
purgatory
Member since Jun 2007
21595 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:36 pm to
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Our half court defense right now isn't really an issue.


Hahahahahaha.

Tell me you dont watch games without telling me you dont watch games.
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
918 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:42 pm to
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Eason was the 94th ranked player


first round draft pick is a more relevant metric than outdated high school analysis. eason is a superior athlete to anyone on the current squad. he made plays these guys cannot. he would leap up and block 3 pointers, then steal it and dunk it on the other end. none of the guys now can jump or run enough to make those sort of plays. the current guys are terrible at finishing, whereas eason would dunk it hard.

fudge, gaines, murray, eason, all are better athletes than anyone on this team. better athletes can do different things.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59308 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:47 pm to
Again he’s just throwing shite at the wall hoping it sticks. Last years team fouled 19.1 times per game, this years team fouls 16.8 times per game. There’s no fouling problem, he’s just making shite up again because he doesn’t know anything.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59308 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:48 pm to
He wasn’t a 1st rounder when we got him. Why can’t you understand that? You keep using a present result and projecting it onto where players were 2 years ago ignoring all the data up to that point.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 12:50 pm
Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
918 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:50 pm to
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superior athleticism has nothing to do with playing good defense


"nothing?" is that true in football as well? might as well put in the math team at safety?

well in that case maybe they can coach up parker edwards to block oscar tshiebwe. maybe just open the roster up to the students who are slow and small and not athletic, but try really hard.

wade said that he would or wouldnt press based on his athleticism. like he said he needed a rim protecting goalie big as the last line of defense. and when he had gaines and eason in there, they were so quick and athletic on the press they would close gaps and intercept balls. current roster is not nearly as athletic.

Posted by jamarr
Member since Jul 2019
918 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:54 pm to
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He wasn’t a 1st rounder when we got him. Why can’t you understand that? You keep using a present result and projecting it onto where players were 2 years ago ignoring all the data up to that point.


which players on the current team would wade make into first rounders?
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