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re: What is Aranda looming for? Zone D?

Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:25 am to
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
28619 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:25 am to
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Clemson beat Bama with a zone blitz scheme. We're trying our best to implement one as well. It is a copycat league.


But we blitzed a total of 3 times in the first half. We played a lot of base zone and it didn’t work well at all. A well-executed zone blitz can cause a good QB to fold. A base zone poorly executed gives them free reign to one-read you to death and pick matchups at will.
This post was edited on 10/14/19 at 11:48 am
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
6797 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:35 am to
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I re-watched and counted plays because I wondered if we were really as it seemed. We were. There were only 3 blitzes in the first half, 2 with 5 men and 1 with 6. 2 of them worked great and almost resulted in picks. However, we dropped 8 more than we blitzed and that didn’t work at all. And you are correct- the entire defense was run from base sets with hardly any movement. There were two “exchanges” where we swapped a down lineman for an ILB. One of those got some pressure. But that was it. Everything else was flat base. The second half was completely different. There were stunts and several exchanges where we only rushed 4. Some of them worked well. There were a lot of 5 man rushes and at least three with 6 men. I didn’t notice watching the first time, but Aranda didn’t sit back on UFs good second half drives. He pressures them in the middle, but Mullen adjusted and got us over the middle. What’s missing? Great ILB play. Queen and Philips were flat-footed a lot and slow to read and react when they didn’t blitz. They also telegraphist when they did. There were very few times when someone showed and didn’t blitz. Also, I didn’t see a single corner blitz and only one or two safety blitz. That used to be a staple. It was a strange gameplan. I think the second half plan is a winning strategy. However, I hope we never see that first half scheme again. When you coach passive, guess what- the players respond by playing passive. I don’t have an issue with zone if they can execute it, but the conservatism and lack of creativity will open a wide door for a good OC. We saw that in the first half Saturday.


This post is 100% correct. Everyone wondering what’s wrong with the D this is it.

Very passive game plan that is obviously calculated (for whatever the reason) and some below par linebacker play at times.

Of course we don’t have a pass rush when 3 2-gap run stuffers are rushing the passer.

What we saw 2nd half is our sweet spot.

Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:38 am to
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I'd rather win 42-7 than 42-28. The latter is only two scores, and a late TD and on-sides kick puts the game at risk.

Blow teams out from the opening kickoff. Don't let them dink-and-dunk and linger. That's a recipe for disaster.



You’re not blowing out the top teams. You’re not holding Tua or Lawrence or Hurts to 7 points, and would love to hold them to 28.

What you’re advocating for (bringing the house the whole game) seems like a recipe to get your defense burnt early and often against good competition, ESPECIALLY if that’s what you’ve been doing all year and the opposing coordinators are expecting it and know you cant play zone.

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We were 7-0 and ranked no. 2. All was perfect, right? Nope - we had a one-dimensional offense, and lost our next 3 games, each by double digits.


So you want us to have a one-dimensional defense this year?
This post was edited on 10/14/19 at 11:43 am
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
165414 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:43 am to
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Bring the house from the first play and don't stop til the end.

That only works if the qb sucks.a good QB will burn you
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
28619 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:47 am to
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What you’re advocating for (bringing the house the whole game) seems like a recipe to get your defense burnt early and often against good competition, ESPECIALLY if that’s what you’ve been doing all year and the opposing coordinators are expecting it and know you cant play zone.


If we could just be less predictable, get back to disguising blitzes and rushers, and give up on dropping 8 other than in prevent, then we’re probably fine. The second half was a pretty good mix. The problem is that, when you let a good QB get going and build confidence, it’s a LOT harder to slow them down.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
28619 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:52 am to
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What we saw 2nd half is our sweet spot.


I like that Aranda mixed up zone and man and brought more pressure in the 2nd half. However, they were still predictable. Mullen knew we would blitz the middle (it was the only area we blitzed from all night) on 3rd downs and hit us with a screen and a slant for 3rd down conversions in the 4th quarter. Predictable is bad no matter what you are doing.

Queen and Philips are also NOT GOOD at disguising when they are or aren’t coming. A good staff and QB can read them like a book. That needs to change.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9128 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:53 am to
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You do realize that this is a fan message board, where we can give our, you know, opinions and stuff. I love the Tigers as much as you, but you do understand that no team is perfect, and proper critique is appropriate.


Yes, I do. Which was kinda my point. But admittedly, my last comment about nothing to complain about was more tongue-in-cheek than anything. I fully acknowledge that teams should always be striving for improvement.

My personal take is that LSU's defense is not in as much trouble as many think it is. Aranda is a great DC, and he has been one of LSU's greatest assets over the past few years. I don't think he suddenly became a bad DC over the offseason.

Posted by Oneforthemoney
New Iberia, La
Member since Dec 2013
2185 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:57 am to
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Get to the half without dialing up pressure and the bring the pressure in the 2nd half ... this strategy doesn’t give the opposition a chance to make halftime adjustments.


exactly. easier to make adjustments at halftime than during the game.
Posted by EasterEgg
New Orleans Metro
Member since Sep 2018
4839 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:58 am to
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Sure, we can man up and take the slants away, but it’ll open the DBs up to double moves

I've seen a lot of them are caught pretty shallow right across the middle. When I was a kid, almost every game I ever watched you'd see a receiver catch a pass across the middle and he would get lit the frick up by a linebacker or safety. It was so common that many receivers were scared to catch passes there and would get the yips. Why doesn't that happen much anymore? And why is no one trying to do that against Alabama?
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
28619 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 11:59 am to
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My personal take is that LSU's defense is not in as much trouble as many think it is. Aranda is a great DC, and he has been one of LSU's greatest assets over the past few years. I don't think he suddenly became a bad DC over the offseason.


The defense isn’t bad. The more reasonable among us who are criticizing it understand that. It’s just been a strange year and adjustment for Aranda, so far. I don’t think anyone can deny this defense has underperformed expectations and talent level. I know some of that is due to the new offense, but not as much as some want to believe.

I have confidence it will get better, but considering my high opinion of Aranda, I am nervous that the D still looks iffy at this point.
This post was edited on 10/14/19 at 12:01 pm
Posted by mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
4479 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 12:03 pm to
Bama will light up our defense unless something significant improves. Our offense is good enough to keep pace. We will get some awful calls in T town.

Bama will not be running 11 play drives. No idea. What happens.

Teams get 14 to 16 possessions per game. If both teams score on half of their possessions it will be very interesting.
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13946 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 12:03 pm to
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why start out at 5? Bring it all right out of the gate. What's the advantage of starting small -- we'll give up points. Bring the house from the first play and don't stop til the end.

Built in 2nd half adjustment, cancellation adjustments!
Posted by Pmtiger
Member since Dec 2014
837 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 12:08 pm to
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It's a little way to try to keep them as fresh as possible.



This ^^
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
68734 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 12:13 pm to
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the DL must contain on the outside and we must get pressure up the middle....any of this look familiar?


Not really...How are we getting pressure up the middle?
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
24535 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 12:42 pm to
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They’re going to get yards. Clemson gave up 450 yards but only 16 points. That’s the blueprint.


This makes the most sense to me, I have been wondering why the philosophy change since last year. If you can hold Bama to field goals and not TDs, with our offense, then you have a chance.

Posted by rob62
Member since Sep 2016
5165 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 12:51 pm to
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Now though it seriously looks like a true philosophy but it handcuffs are biggest assets in the middle of the defense in Phillips and Queen.


Are?
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4096 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 12:53 pm to
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It’s about Alabama. The deep digs and crossing routes they run can be shut down by zone——if correctly executed. Also takes away the deep balls. Clemson and Georgia both used it well to limit their offense. He wants it operational to mix in 50/50 against them. This is a guess, but you saw a decent example Saturday. Lots of zone in the first half, second half more of a mix with man being used when we brought 5-6 guys.


I agree, Clemson played Zone over the top and manned up the 3 top WR. They got home with 4 rushers. I think LSU would like to use that defensive philosophy or be able to use it for Bama. Chaisson had his best game rushing from the edge. Brooks looks like he can rush from the edge. Thomas, #93 got some pressure from the middle. If LSU can get a good 4 man rush unit, that allows you to play different covers on back end. Need to keep developing a good 4 man rush unit over these next 2 games.
Posted by HaloWarriors
Murfreesboro, TN
Member since Feb 2010
3364 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 12:58 pm to
I asked this during the game, is he conserving the defense so they aren't completely gassed in the 4th. Just bare minimum at first and then turn it up at the end? Our defense looked super fresh in the 3rd and 4th. It may not be that bad of a strategy. Plus, injuries and depth play into this as well.
Posted by Tiger79
Zachary
Member since Apr 2009
7542 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 12:59 pm to
Agreed but watch out drunk, moron ,purple and gold glasses wearing idiots are going to disagree with you!
Now if we were using the zone to set up creative zone blitzes that would be great but we're not.
He doesn't allow or ask his DL to stunt/twist often and rarely blitzes.

Not saying fire him, but since the Arkansas game last season he isn't worth what we're paying him.
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48414 posts
Posted on 10/14/19 at 1:01 pm to
Start sending Brooks. He is a QB magnet.
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