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re: What happened in 1998? Why the collapse?
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:03 pm to sacrathetic
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:03 pm to sacrathetic
One of the most gut-wrenching seasons in LSU history for me, though I'm relatively young. Seems like every loss was an absolute heartbreaker, minus the walloping Arkansas gave us to end the season.
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Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:07 pm to montana
Lou Tepper
Review the defensive stats for 96/97 and compare to 98/99, especially passing yards and completion percentage against.
Short story, Dinardo blames the Ole Miss and Auburn losses on the DC. He felt that we were playing a “new” defensive scheme every week and wanted to play one scheme every game. Dinardo is a smart guy but showed his stupidity here as Florida, Auburn and Alabama used three completely different offensive schemes during those years (Alabama pure smash mouth , with play action; Florida fun and gun with Spurrier and Auburn has little Bowden/ J Fisher as game planner with their pro style. He didn’t understand that you may have to use different fronts /looks depending upon the opponent. He let the DC go to Texas , who immediately became a solid defensive team. He brought in Tepper and stuck with him. Tepper makes scheme gave up short passes and had a linebacker covering the slot. It was a nightmare.
Review the defensive stats for 96/97 and compare to 98/99, especially passing yards and completion percentage against.
Short story, Dinardo blames the Ole Miss and Auburn losses on the DC. He felt that we were playing a “new” defensive scheme every week and wanted to play one scheme every game. Dinardo is a smart guy but showed his stupidity here as Florida, Auburn and Alabama used three completely different offensive schemes during those years (Alabama pure smash mouth , with play action; Florida fun and gun with Spurrier and Auburn has little Bowden/ J Fisher as game planner with their pro style. He didn’t understand that you may have to use different fronts /looks depending upon the opponent. He let the DC go to Texas , who immediately became a solid defensive team. He brought in Tepper and stuck with him. Tepper makes scheme gave up short passes and had a linebacker covering the slot. It was a nightmare.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:15 pm to sacrathetic
fricking Tepper ruined my Jr and Sr year football season experience at LSU. I'll always despise that fricker for that 
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:20 pm to Oneforthemoney
There was no interim coach for the bowl game. Hal Hunter was the interim against Arkansas and LSU destroyed them and they were a top 25 team at the time. You can bet Saban watched film on that game and saw the potential with the roster.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:20 pm to fallguy_1978
What's interesting is Tepper took over in the ND bowl game and I think a lot of people were optimistic
He ran a very non conventional 5 man front on defense for most of the game and kept their running game in check that had gashed us in Death Valley earlier in the year.
Then the next season comes and we have Thomas Dunson trying to cover Randy Moss as the drop linebacker (obvious hyperbole, we didn't play against Randy)
He ran a very non conventional 5 man front on defense for most of the game and kept their running game in check that had gashed us in Death Valley earlier in the year.
Then the next season comes and we have Thomas Dunson trying to cover Randy Moss as the drop linebacker (obvious hyperbole, we didn't play against Randy)
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:32 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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DiNardo was an excellent coach who built LSU back up, but his ego was too big and he could not admit when he was wrong.
DiNardo was one arrogant human being " may" have been a good coach" but it will never be known for real.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:39 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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ego was too big and he could not admit when he was wrong. Made some bad assistant hires and refused to correct them.
Interesting ...sounds like another coach that got his arse run off.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:43 pm to sacrathetic
Two words...
Drop. Linebacker.
Drop. Linebacker.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:46 pm to T
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The drop linebacker
Bingo
In a perfect world its a great scheme the only problem is there are only a handful of players in football history that are capable of doing everything required of the position. Had to play the run, rush the passer and split out and cover wide receivers. Poor Thomas Dunson was crucified on the post game radio show and it wasn't his fault. He was a pretty good classic style LB. Maybe Kwon Alexander or Patrick Queen could have done it because of their speed. But the 2 greatest LB's in LSU history Devin White and Michael Brooks I don't think we fast enough to do it. I hope Thomas Dunson has at some point beat the shite out of Tepper.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:49 pm to JawjaTigah
I thought the killer besides GA was the Alabama game. We were winning the damn thing. We outplayed them for most of the game, and then weird shite started to happen. Mark Roman tips a long pass towards out of bounds right behind him and the Alabama receiver stretches way out and catches the damn thing. Then the onside kick, LSU had its hands team out there and the ball bounces high.....there is a picture out there with Faulk in the air fully extended and his fingertips pissing the ball by nano-inches. It was fricked up.
The Kentucky game always got me as well. Couch looked like a super star that game. I mean he was good anyway but we were making him look like a legend in the making.
The Kentucky game always got me as well. Couch looked like a super star that game. I mean he was good anyway but we were making him look like a legend in the making.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:56 pm to sacrathetic
Pre-season 1998 ranking was undeserved. It was based on the 1997 team's defeat of #1 Florida, one of the biggest underdog wins in LSU history, but the truth is, things were already going south for Dinardo by that point. LSU stumbled through the rest of the 1997 season. After that historic 1997 Florida game, LSU only won 1 home game, and went 3-2 for the remainder of the season, including a win over one of the worst Alabama teams in history. LSU had no business being ranked at the beginning of 1998, for anyone who was paying attention.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:59 pm to TDlurker
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Pre-season 1998 ranking was undeserved. It was based on the 1997 team's defeat of #1 Florida, one of the biggest underdog wins in LSU history, but the truth is, things were already going south for Dinardo by that point. LSU stumbled through the rest of the 1997 season
LSU finished the 1997 season 9-3 and ranked in the top 15. Their preseason ranking was based upon that and returning basically the entire team in 1998. And no they didn't stumble through the rest of the season. You mention the losses but ignore the wins: 27-0 against Alabama, 63-28 against Kentucky, 31-21 to Arkansas, and 27-9 to Notre Dame
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went 3-2 for the remainder of the season
4-2
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LSU had no business being ranked at the beginning of 1998,
That's an extremely ignorant statement
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 3:09 pm to TDlurker
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Pre-season 1998 ranking was undeserved.
I strongly disagree with this. On paper this team had a ton returning on offense from the best non-spurrier offense in the conference, a lot of depth on defense, and a pretty favorable schedule outside of Florida on the road. Again, with a historically horrible defense that team was in every game, just couldn't pull them out which I blame totally on the coaches.
Maybe I'm too much of an optimist, but that team with almost anyone else as DC (and an average/bad defense) wins the SEC west.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 3:09 pm to fallguy_1978
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fricking Tepper ruined my Jr and Sr year football season experience at LSU. I'll always despise that fricker for that
same except I was a sophomore in 98. I remember sitting in good seats in the student section for the UGA game. Each loss was hard to watch! The talent was there. Dinardo went full crazy in 98. Seemed to worry more about popularity in BR than coaching. Had the restaurant and was on lots of ads (back before that was the norm)
Tepper was a terrible hire and fit for LSU.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 3:10 pm to lsufball19
quote:And lost 2 of its last 3 home games, and finished last 5 games 3-2, including a win over one of the worst Alabama teams ever.
LSU finished the 1997 season 9-3
quote:ONLY because they knocked off Florida. Do you really think a team that finishes the season 3-2 with exactly 1 home win is a top-15 team? You must not have been there, because it was clear from the stands that the team was riding the high from that Florida win and STILL managed to lose two home games, *badly*.
and ranked in the top 15
quote:lol, 1998 results clearly indicates otherwise.
That's an extremely ignorant statement
Posted on 2/28/20 at 3:20 pm to TDlurker
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and finished last 5 games 3-2
They finished their last 6 games 4-2, so slightly worse than their first 6 games
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including a win over one of the worst Alabama teams ever.
ok?
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ONLY because they knocked off Florida
but they did beat Florida. Had they not, they would have finished 8-4 and still in the top 25.
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You must not have been there,
I was
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because it was clear from the stands that the team was riding the high from that Florida win and STILL managed to lose two home games, *badly*.
Yeah, 9-3 teams aren't as good as 11-1 teams
quote:This entire thread has discussed the major changes that occurred after the 1997 season.
lol, 1998 results clearly indicates otherwise.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 3:21 pm to TDlurker
LSU returned a senior all conference caliber qb, a senior All American rb-kr when RBs mattered a ton, a back-up rb that was very good too (some argued even better at the time), a somewhat experienced o-line, and some very solid defensive talent including a senior All-American defensive tackle. For a LSU team before the Saban/Miles/Coach O superteams that was one of the most talented teams in school history.
Yes, they sucked, but they had enough talent to play with most anyone in the country, and the rating was mostly justified. Also there were no great teams in the SEC West, as evidenced by an only better than average State team going to Atlanta that year.
Yes, they sucked, but they had enough talent to play with most anyone in the country, and the rating was mostly justified. Also there were no great teams in the SEC West, as evidenced by an only better than average State team going to Atlanta that year.
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