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re: What are all of these "adjustments" that should have been made?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:44 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:44 pm to UpToPar
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You are referring to Stevenson, and I agree
No Laird made the catch
I don't know what you've seen out of Moore that makes you think he can play OF. He's a 1B/C/DH
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Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:44 pm to UpToPar
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You are referring to Stevenson, and I agree. Kid can fly and is a great outfielder.
Umm wrong. I am referring to Laird. The kid that plays RF. He chased down a fly ball on the warning track in yesterday's game against UNC. The game that we lost. Thanks for correcting me though.
You said put Moore in RF. Therefore, you lost his glove in RF because it is now in CF and you have Moore substituted in RF. You would lose a lot of defense.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:45 pm to MOT
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Is this a serious question?
I guess you missed this part, so I'll quote it for you:
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Lets start there, and then see if the benefits outweigh the loss.
Now the question becomes, does Stevenson's defense outweigh him being a liability at the plate?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:47 pm to UpToPar
I guess technically you wouldn't lose anything by putting Moore in right if the ball isn't actually hit to right. I'll you give you that.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:48 pm to UpToPar
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Now the question becomes, does Stevenson's defense outweigh him being a liability at the plate?
Maybe, maybe not, but that doesn't change the fact the Moore isn't an OF. Put Foster in RF or McMullen and RF and let Foster or Moore DH, but Moore can't play RF
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:49 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Umm wrong. I am referring to Laird.
If you put Moore in RF you are losing Stevenson's glove. Although Laird is moving over, I think Laird and Stevenson are pretty much a wash defensively with Stevenson maybe having a slight advantage.
I recognize you lose speed in the outfield, but Moore is athletic and is absolutely no worse than Rhymes in LF. Hell, why don't we just put our three fastest guys in the outfield so we can have the best outfield possible. You can't tell me Stevenson's defense outweighs his liability at the plate.
Hell, even if you throw foster out there (who is much closer to the caliber outfielder as Laird and Stevenson) he still gives you a much better chance at the plate.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:50 pm to MOT
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Is this a serious question?
Please tell me no one could ask that one seriously....I mean we could easily discuss Foster in RF (although no doubt he doesn't get to as many balls as Stevenson) but thats about it.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:52 pm to Cap Crunch
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Put Foster in RF
That is another option as well.
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McMullen and RF
I wouldn't with his hamstring, but before that, absolutely.
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Moore can't play RF
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Moore played RF a few times last year.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:53 pm to UpToPar
I you're actually serious about this then you'll need to realistically look at how many runs were saved by him being in center. And by realistically I do not mean "well ___ would have made the same play anyway so it doesn't matter".
I can think of three circumstances that saved multiple runs. Can you name them? What number would you put on it?
I can think of three circumstances that saved multiple runs. Can you name them? What number would you put on it?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:54 pm to LSU316
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(although no doubt he doesn't get to as many balls as Stevenson)
Again, you guys are acting like Stevenson's defense is like nothing seen before, and at all cost he should be in the game. He is an automatic out at the plate. Regardless of who you put in RF, they may not get to 1 ball a game that Laird would have gotten to.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:56 pm to Broski
LSU didn't try to run at all yesterday against a guy with a long delivery and a backup catcher.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:56 pm to slinger1317
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but it also shows our lineup wasn't distributed properly to get the hitters up with runners on
So the non hitters would have been on base for the hitters.
frick...why didn't PM see this coming......non hitters always get on base for the new hot hitters.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:57 pm to MOT
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I can think of three circumstances that saved multiple runs. Can you name them? What number would you put on it?
Two off the top of my head are saving us the SEC Championship by chasing down a ball deep in the gap that prevented 3 runs from scoring.
Another was in the Regional when Nola was pitching against Sam Houston State in the very first inning. That diving catch prevented 2 more runs from scoring and Nola giving up a 7 spot in the first inning and quite frankly could have changed the entire complexion of that game.
But no big deal, he's automatic out.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 2:58 pm to MOT
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I you're actually serious about this then you'll need to realistically look at how many runs were saved by him being in center. And by realistically I do not mean "well ___ would have made the same play anyway so it doesn't matter".
If you're actually serious then you need to look at the runs he cost us by being a guaranteed out at the plate.
Again, like I said, I dont think there is a great drop-off between Laird and Stevenson defensively. Therefore, the question is how many runs were saved by Laird being in RF vs. Foster/Moore? Then you would have to compare that to the amount of runs expected with Foster/Moore in the line-up as opposed to Stevenson. Neither you or I know that number and it is a guessing game to try to argue one way or the other, but I honestly think we score more runs with Foster/Moore in RF than we give up by moving Laird over.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:00 pm to UpToPar
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Therefore, the question is how many runs were saved by Laird being in RF vs. Foster/Moore?
What the frick? I literally just said Laird chased down a ball in RF yesterday that Moore wouldn't have caught and you told me I should be comparing the defense to Stevenson and now you are saying he needs to be compared to Laird.
You seriously have no clue what the frick you are even saying.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:01 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Another was in the Regional when Nola was pitching against Sam Houston State in the very first inning. That diving catch prevented 2 more runs from scoring and Nola giving up a 7 spot in the first inning and quite frankly could have changed the entire complexion of that game.
If it's the play I'm thinking of that was Stevenson in center correct? You don't think Laird makes that play?
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:03 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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What the frick? I literally just said Laird chased down a ball in RF yesterday that Moore wouldn't have caught and you told me I should be comparing the defense to Stevenson and now you are saying he needs to be compared to Laird.
I don't believe that was in response to you.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:04 pm to UpToPar
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I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Moore played RF a few times last year.
That was Katz
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:06 pm to UpToPar
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I don't believe that was in response to you.
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You lose one of the best outfielders on the team. There is no way in hell that Tyler Moore would have caught that long fly ball in the gap against UNC yesterday.
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You are referring to Stevenson, and I agree. Kid can fly and is a great outfielder. Moore is not a bad athlete either though. Now lets look at the benefits. Tell me again how much Stevenson contributes at the plate? Do you really think his defense outweighs him being a liability at the plate? How many starters in the CWS had a BA as low as his?
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You already went full retard in one thread and now you are going full retard in another.
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And you have yet to refute my last post in that thread. Shocker.
Yes. It most definitely was in response to me and that is irrelevant. The point is you just said you HAVE to compare him to Laird for defense and 2 minutes ago you said you have to compare him to Stevenson.
Posted on 6/19/13 at 3:07 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Umm wrong. I am referring to Laird.
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If you put Moore in RF you are losing Stevenson's glove. Although Laird is moving over, I think Laird and Stevenson are pretty much a wash defensively with Stevenson maybe having a slight advantage.
Here again is you saying that you are losing Stevenson's glove. And now you are trying to say to compare the defense to Laird. You are comical.
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