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re: Welter did not miss his assignment.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:43 am to Festus
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:43 am to Festus
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Festus
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Listened to Gordy Rush break the play down in detail this morning
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I think I'll go with Gordy's breakdown of the play, as a guy that played the game,
or you could go with the quote from the player that admits to blowing his read on the tackle.... Just saying.
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:47 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Welter does exactly what he's supposed to do here.
He has two holes that could be exploited. The one to his right should be plugged by the two dlineman who are facing two blockers and have good angles. Whoever 62 is blocking completely blows this. Also, Bower should have engaged his blocker and stayed in front of him. That would have allowed him to go either way. Instead Bower goes around the tackle - mistake!
Two dlineman with two blockers and they allow a six feet wide hole?
Welter sees the blocking develop. There are five - count 'em, five - lineman trying to create a hole to Welter's left. Welter did what any MLB would do; he reacted to that blocking by plugging the hole they were creating.
The only lineman who could be said to be creating the hole they actually ran through is 77. The point is that the offense didn't create that hole, the defense did. Mainly, it is the fault of Bower and whoever 62 is blocking.
I'm in the camp of people who would like to see Beckwith earn the MLB spot. We need that if we're going to have a successful year. But this wasn't Welter's fault.
He has two holes that could be exploited. The one to his right should be plugged by the two dlineman who are facing two blockers and have good angles. Whoever 62 is blocking completely blows this. Also, Bower should have engaged his blocker and stayed in front of him. That would have allowed him to go either way. Instead Bower goes around the tackle - mistake!
Two dlineman with two blockers and they allow a six feet wide hole?
Welter sees the blocking develop. There are five - count 'em, five - lineman trying to create a hole to Welter's left. Welter did what any MLB would do; he reacted to that blocking by plugging the hole they were creating.
The only lineman who could be said to be creating the hole they actually ran through is 77. The point is that the offense didn't create that hole, the defense did. Mainly, it is the fault of Bower and whoever 62 is blocking.
I'm in the camp of people who would like to see Beckwith earn the MLB spot. We need that if we're going to have a successful year. But this wasn't Welter's fault.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:48 am to ForeLSU
Welter has been out of position far to often in last 2 seasons and it is a serious issue. But at this point if he is continuing to play then I can't give Chavis a free pass on this. Why is Welter playing MLB still? And the excuse of being smart doesn't mean jack shite on a football field when it is not showing up after the snap. Effective defensive play is about reaction once the ball is snapped and if you are smart, you don't have to think about what to do. You are then free to react because you know where to be and can read the play as it happens and react more quickly. So why is this smart player not reacting correctly causing breakdowns? The analogy used supporting the reactions of Welter dont hold water and its time to make a change at that position. I am sure that the kid is a great teammate and a good kid. But Chavis is responsible for seeing all of this and reacting and should have taken corrective actions long before now! I don't know if we beat State that night or not, but certainly a more effective, reactive MLB would have slowed or been in position to stop the runs up the middle in the second level, making for a better chance to win.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:51 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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the ends came too far upfield and should have pinched down more, but the primary responsibility on that play was DJ Welter.
Did you miss this?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:59 am to Penrod
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Welter did what any MLB would do; he reacted to that blocking by plugging the hole they were creating.
so running into the back of a d-lineman is "plugging the hole"?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:01 am to Penrod
Wouldn't your statement imply that ALL MLB's are supposed to bite on every single play fake?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:06 am to texastigerr
Most people are missing the point! With some exception over the last few years, the LSU linebackers have not performed well. Last year, our outside LBS were constantly out of position and other teams set the edge on them frequently. This year, the inside LB seem to be out of position alot. Nobody has mentioned coaching and recruiting. I see no technique with our LBs, which is a coaching problem. I also see Chavis and Miles constantly recruiting undersized, yet highly athletic LBs.Just cuz a guy can run fast and jump high should not earn him a starting role. Everybody wants to make the "ESPN" big hit, but nobody seems to know how to tackle. Good linebackers prevent 3 yd gains from becoming 10 yd gains and 7 yd gains from becoming long runs.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:16 am to ATLTiger
Thank You, Welter did not miss his assignment, but was not in placed. I see , but if you look at the still picture, Debo reacted to quickly to the receiver and the quarterback didn't even get into the throwing position. I 'm just agreeing with tiger track film room that debo, welter and bowers were all at fault on this play.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:30 am to LSU6969
Yeah - And this defense shows it has great leadership 
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:30 am to Penrod
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Welter does exactly what he's supposed to do here.
He has two holes that could be exploited. The one to his right should be plugged by the two dlineman who are facing two blockers and have good angles. Whoever 62 is blocking completely blows this. Also, Bower should have engaged his blocker and stayed in front of him. That would have allowed him to go either way. Instead Bower goes around the tackle - mistake!
Ummm.. no. We have a safety on the left side in Mills supporting against the run. Welter, knowing that since he set up the defense, should have held his ground and not bit on the fake. Since Debo had to cover the WR, and went to the flats, the resposibility goes to Welter.
Did Bower mess up? Yes, but there is supposed to be support for LBer's in case the DL on that side can't get off their blocks.
Some of you people trying to defend Welter are ridiculous. I feel for the guy, because he only suffers this much because the coaches keep forcing him into the games, but he's simply not good.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:34 am to Geauxgurt
I don't get the attack on debo, what was he supposed to do? Leave our one corner to defend THREE players? 
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:34 am to Makavellimw
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Thank You, Welter did not miss his assignment, but was not in placed. I see , but if you look at the still picture, Debo reacted to quickly to the receiver and the quarterback didn't even get into the throwing position. I 'm just agreeing with tiger track film room that debo, welter and bowers were all at fault on this play.
So had Debo not covered the WR quickly enough, and they swung a pass out to him that got a 79 yard TD, you'd still be blaming Debo, right?
It is clear as day that Welter as well as others screwed up. Welter crashed the line too early because he's not a good enough athlete to wait a split second, thus always biting on fakes to account for that.
He's simply not that good. PERIOD.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:37 am to LSU6969
You do realize that the RB was the QB on that play.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:45 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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or you could go with the quote from the player that admits to blowing his read on the tackle.... Just saying.
link?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:51 am to Catman88
quote:I doubt they did this right. I would imagine that linemen would be blocked out more than 3 times in a game. Look at your pic below.
•We kept a new category this week. It’s called “blocked.” We charted players who were blocked out of plays near the ball during successful runs. Alexander was blocked out once. D.J. Welter led the team in “blocked” with three.
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In contrast:
Now look at Welter on that play. Why is he trying to fight the block and go to his left when the ball carrier is to his right?
Seriously? Welter has a lineman and a tight end double teaming him on that play while 3 linemen are successfully blocking out 3 d-linemen. Kwon is unblocked. I am a bit curious who on LSU is running away from the play at the top of the screen. Is that another linebacker? 
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:55 am to LSU6969
What I want to know is what the heck happened to TigerLee that he is not all up in this thread?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:59 am to Methuselah
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What I want to know is what the heck happened to TigerLee that he is not all up in this thread?
He's wracking his brain trying to come up with an argument as to why Kragthorpe should be starting over Harris.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:04 pm to mmcgrath
Looks like Gilmore getting great push and almost making a big TFL on the play. I wonder what else he was doing five yards behind the line of scrimmage?
I'd rather see a gif honestly. How did kwon get where he was?
I'd rather see a gif honestly. How did kwon get where he was?
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:13 pm to BigEdLSU
I didn't read all of this. I'm sure DJ is trying his best. He just isn't very good. He makes a play every now and then, but not often. Lamar is the same player in my opinion..neither one makes a play...most of their tackles are assists. Kwon makes plays. Debo and Beckwith make plays and Ronnie and Clifton don't play. Duke looks decent.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:19 pm to BigEdLSU
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How did kwon get where he was?
He was rushing in from the left and forced the QB to handoff to the RB on the read option. Still was able to cut back and make the tackle there.
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