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Week 0 games explained a I understand them
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:18 am
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:18 am
Because I continue to see all the comments about week 0 games and "why didn't we reschedule Southern or some other team, etc. I have decided to share what I understand about week 0 games.
My hope is that perhaps a few less people will make statements suggesting things that are impossible going forward.
The purpose of week 0 games, according to the NCAA, was to allow teams that travel to Hawaii, or the University of Hawaii itself, to schedule an additional home game in order to offset the high cost of travel to Hawaii. A look at Duquesne's schedule for 2022 shows that they have a 13 game regular season schedule.
A look at FSU's 2023 schedule shows they have no one on their schedule who plays in Hawaii, Hawaii already has 13 games scheduled and FSU already have 12 games scheduled. FSU will not be playing a week 0 game short of cancelling a home game and finding an opponent who plays in Hawaii with an open slot in week 0. THey could theoretically reschedule either UCLA or Oregon to week 0 but I don't think they would and I am not sure if the the PAC12 sets those dates or if the teams do.
I am fairly confident LSU does not see a team with a week 0 opponent through 2025 for similar reasons and probably not in 2026.
A really good site for schedule information in case someone wants to do their own checking on things like this.
https://fbschedules.com/2024-hawaii-football-schedule/
I hope this is useful information to someone.
My hope is that perhaps a few less people will make statements suggesting things that are impossible going forward.
The purpose of week 0 games, according to the NCAA, was to allow teams that travel to Hawaii, or the University of Hawaii itself, to schedule an additional home game in order to offset the high cost of travel to Hawaii. A look at Duquesne's schedule for 2022 shows that they have a 13 game regular season schedule.
A look at FSU's 2023 schedule shows they have no one on their schedule who plays in Hawaii, Hawaii already has 13 games scheduled and FSU already have 12 games scheduled. FSU will not be playing a week 0 game short of cancelling a home game and finding an opponent who plays in Hawaii with an open slot in week 0. THey could theoretically reschedule either UCLA or Oregon to week 0 but I don't think they would and I am not sure if the the PAC12 sets those dates or if the teams do.
I am fairly confident LSU does not see a team with a week 0 opponent through 2025 for similar reasons and probably not in 2026.
A really good site for schedule information in case someone wants to do their own checking on things like this.
https://fbschedules.com/2024-hawaii-football-schedule/
I hope this is useful information to someone.
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Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:22 am to mdomingue
Thanks. Very helpful.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:30 am to mdomingue
University of Albany plays at Hawaii next year and only has 4 scheduled games in 2023.
Looks like I found us a Week 0 opponent!
Looks like I found us a Week 0 opponent!
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:30 am to mdomingue
so fsu was a big step ahead of us competitively in getting Duquesne on their schedule.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:44 am to LSUAlum2001
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University of Albany plays at Hawaii next year and only has 4 scheduled games in 2023.
Looks like I found us a Week 0 opponent!
So you're gonna cancel who to play them?
ETA: Albany already has a week 0 game scheduled.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 8:50 am
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:48 am to tigervetatsea
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so fsu was a big step ahead of us competitively in getting Duquesne on their schedule.
They were, but they scheduled them in Feb 2021. Our schedule was already in place. I think we probably aren't going to cancel games and be on the hook for that money plus try to schedule another team that costs us more money in that situation. But who knows.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:48 am to mdomingue
Even if you don't meet the Hawaii related criteria, you can still appeal to the NCAA. Wonder if we did..,
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:54 am to Chicken
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Even if you don't meet the Hawaii related criteria, you can still appeal to the NCAA. Wonder if we did..,
Good question. I am uncertain how that works but I don't think it is automatic. I think it is usually applied to "kickoff event" type games and LSU was already playing in one of those in week 1.
Note that the exemption, I think, also applies to Alaska and Puerto Rico. I know there are travel exceptions applied to all three. Make me wonder if either has a school that plays football?
Posted on 9/9/22 at 11:23 am to mdomingue
Cancel Florida State to play Albany. Start next year 1-0 instead of 0-1 again.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 11:30 am to mdomingue
Nebraska and Northwestern don't play Hawaii, but I suppose they got a week 0 game for travel to Ireland, though they still only play 12 games this year, I guess they get extra bye weeks.
Neither Charlotte or FAU play Hawaii this year and both only play 12 games, but they played each other in week 0.
So yes teams that play @ Hawaii will pretty much always get week 0 games that year but there are other games in week 0 that don't meet that criteria. I wonder how they go about getting those games
Neither Charlotte or FAU play Hawaii this year and both only play 12 games, but they played each other in week 0.
So yes teams that play @ Hawaii will pretty much always get week 0 games that year but there are other games in week 0 that don't meet that criteria. I wonder how they go about getting those games
Posted on 9/9/22 at 12:37 pm to mdomingue
Aight but why didnt we have a week zero game?
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Posted on 9/9/22 at 12:54 pm to mdomingue
I don’t think we need to try to schedule a week 0 game for LSU…ever. What the issue is, in my mind, is and has always been scheduling a team for our week one opponent that has already played a game in week 0. It hurt us two years in row because of massive turnover in staff and players. It could be that way every year theoretically. Whomever may be listening….DON’T do that anymore!
Posted on 9/9/22 at 5:56 pm to WaterLink
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ebraska and Northwestern don't play Hawaii, but I suppose they got a week 0 game for travel to Ireland
Yes, special event in ireland allowed them to play a week 0 and have an extra bye if they want one.
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Neither Charlotte or FAU play Hawaii this year and both only play 12 games, but they played each other in week 0.
That was an exemption allowed due to some rescheduling that CUSA had to do with the departure of the 3 teams to the Sunbelt. At least that was the explanation for why they allowed it.
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So yes teams that play @ Hawaii will pretty much always get week 0 games that year but there are other games in week 0 that don't meet that criteria. I wonder how they go about getting those games
THe NCAA allows it for certain "kickoff" events. It is not automattic by any stretch.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 6:03 pm to mdomingue
I'm so tired of the complaining about this.
We lost to UCLA last year because our coach was too busy trying to screw 37-year-old divorcees to put together a decent staff and a game plan.
We lost to FSU this year because we had new coaches and almost an entirely different team.
Next year, we should be a lot more stable. If we lose to FSU again, it will be because they're better than us.
We lost to UCLA last year because our coach was too busy trying to screw 37-year-old divorcees to put together a decent staff and a game plan.
We lost to FSU this year because we had new coaches and almost an entirely different team.
Next year, we should be a lot more stable. If we lose to FSU again, it will be because they're better than us.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 6:37 pm to mdomingue
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Even if you don't meet the Hawaii related criteria, you can still appeal to the NCAA. Wonder if we did..,
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I am uncertain how that works but I don't think it is automatic. I think it is usually applied to "kickoff event" type games and LSU was already playing in one of those in week 1.
That’s pretty much it. The NCAA has given out a few waivers for nationally televised games under special circumstances. For example, Florida and Miami played a week zero game a couple of years ago that was part of an ESPN deal celebrating “150 years of college football.” This year Nebraska and Northwestern played a week zero game in Ireland.
The NCAA isn’t going to give someone a waiver to play a random cupcake just because their week 1 opponent has a week 0 game scheduled already.
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Note that the exemption, I think, also applies to Alaska and Puerto Rico. I know there are travel exceptions applied to all three. Make me wonder if either has a school that plays football?
That’s a different rule. There are actually two rules related to Hawaii:
Bylaw 17.11.6.1 limits each FBS team to playing 12 regular season games. However, there is an exception under 17.11.6.2.1 (g) where games played in Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico do not count against the 12 game limit. This allows teams who play in those places to schedule a 13th regular season game. This is the original “Hawaii Rule” and it’s been around for many years.
Bylaw 17.11.4 says that FBS and FCS teams can’t play their first game until the Thursday before Labor Day, at the earliest. However, there is an exception under 17.11.4.1 for teams who play a game in Hawaii, which allows them to schedule a week 0 game. This rule was implemented in 2016 and does not apply to Alaska and Puerto Rico.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 6:38 pm to mdomingue
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I hope this is useful information to someone.
not really, bottom line is we are a bad, poorly coached team
Posted on 9/9/22 at 7:20 pm to mdomingue
You can also play a week 0 game against a division 1-a opponent if the game is on national tv. That's how UNC got to play Florida A&M in week 0.
It sounds to me like we could have moved the Southern game to week 0 by using that national tv loophole. But we were asleep at the wheel as usual concerning scheduling.
It sounds to me like we could have moved the Southern game to week 0 by using that national tv loophole. But we were asleep at the wheel as usual concerning scheduling.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 7:29 pm to mdomingue
They should just open it up. If you want to play a week 0 game, play it. If you don't, don't. I know alot more goes into it than that (in many areas). The point is: why have any disparity? Change the rules so that: if you don't play week 0, you either didn't want to or couldn't come to an agreement with anybody that wanted to.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 7:52 pm to tigervetatsea
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so fsu was a big step ahead of us competitively in getting Duquesne on their schedule.
Getting the week 1 jitters and routine out of the way is much more important than who they played. Some of you are actually retarded
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:20 pm to tigahlovah
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You can also play a week 0 game against a division 1-a opponent if the game is on national tv. That's how UNC got to play Florida A&M in week 0.
That’s a different exemption that applies to FCS schools. An FCS school can play a non-conference, nationally televised game in week zero.
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It sounds to me like we could have moved the Southern game to week 0 by using that national tv loophole.
The FCS exemption is limited to one institution per conference per year. Florida A&M and Southern are both in the SWAC, so Southern would not have been eligible.
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But we were asleep at the wheel as usual concerning scheduling.
Yeah, you guys have it all figured out.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 8:21 pm
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