re: We really need Odo

LSU's backcourt talent is significantly better than it was Stringer's freshman year. It was either Stringer or Bass during Stringer's freshman year and that shyte was hard to watch. Stringer played like the only thing his left hand was good for was as the guide hand on his jump shot.

C-Bass was C-Bass. Love the kid but he was more limited than any of them, including Collins.

Look, if Quarterman shows up and he looks really good on the wing, I don't think Collins has been so bad that you just write him off as a possible BACKUP at the point next year. If you're going to do that, you might as well give the kid a map to a Southern Conference or MEAC school and tell him "good luck."

And I don't think he's that bad.

Again, I would expect Quarterman to start next season at least as a combo guard and he'll probably backup the 1. But if somebody sees him as a two, that's far from crazy talk. The kid's instincts are to score the ball (which makes him different from Temple as far as big PGs go) and he is the kind of long player who you can curl off a down screen and he'll rise up and hit that little mid-range jumper before a wing can recover or over a big closing on him (he's long enough to rise over a helping big).

If you get him in your off-season and he's just killing that stuff -- and he looks capable of that -- I can easily see CJJ and them deciding he's better as a wing, especially if Collins steps it up in the off-season. Remember, you can still use Andre there too.

EDIT: I've thought about this for a minute and looking back, if Corban Collins, as a freshman, was on LSU's team in 2010-11, I'm fairly confident he would have played significant minutes at the 1 and Stringer would have played more at the two, if not exclusively.

No Stringer didn't turn the ball over much, but that's mainly because when he'd get in trouble, he'd just launch a contested 29 footer which, really, is just as bad as a turnover.

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Again, I would expect Quarterman to start next season at least as a combo guard

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I dont think so. He'll be the backup PG to Hickey, which is what he is being brought in to be. He'll play other positions, but sparingly because the other positions are loaded up pretty well with players of their own while there is a huge gaping hole behind Hickey at PG. We know Collins cant provide there, we know Stringer isn't comfortable running the point...that leaves Quarterman behind Hickey.

At SG you have Morgan/Stringer
At SF you have Martin/Mickey/Coleman

At PG you have Hickey and then...Collins? Yeah, pretty clear yo see where his minutes are coming next season.

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EDIT: I've thought about this for a minute and looking back, if Corban Collins, as a freshman, was on LSU's team in 2010-11, I'm fairly confident he would have played significant minutes at the 1 and Stringer would have played more at the two, if not exclusively.

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Bass would start over Collins, no doubt in my mind.

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Made perfect sense to others.

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So be clear. Is it a "double-face-palm fail" to think that Quarterman might be a two next year, or is it not?

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So be clear. Is it a "double-face-palm fail" to think that Quarterman might be a two next year, or is it not?

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Thinking he might be isn't, but assuming he will be and will not be playing the position he was signed for is a "double-face-palm fail".

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Thinking he might be isn't, but assuming he will be and will not be playing the position he was signed for is a "double-face-palm fail".

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I'll buy this. But maybe their argument is "I've watched this guy and no way he stays at the 1. He's got to be used at the two."

To be honest, that was my initial reaction when they got the commitment because about a year ago, it seemed the kid was listed as a 2. But CJJ and them have convinced me that he can be a 1.

But, I'm always a little skeptical of 2s that become 1s. It's hard to shake off that scorer's mindset. I'll trust they have evaluated him well. CJJ was a good evaluator at North Texas and he seems to be making good calls with the current roster as well.

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My reply was to your post with the Star Trek meme. That post was in reply to the two posters I mentioned, NOBODY ELSE.

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And one guy said "he's not a freaking PG" and the other said "I agree". So tell me, in all your infinite wisdom, how in the hell is that saying "they understand he's being recruited to help the 1"? Because saying "he's not a freaking PG" and agreeing with that certainly doesn't sound like it.

I give up, you're worthless to try and get anything across to. Dont bother posting anymore in response to me, I'm not reading anything.

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Bass would start over Collins, no doubt in my mind.

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You must be the type to get frustrated with players in real time than later, you gain a fondness in retrospect. Because how you can come to this conclusion is beyond me.

In non-conference play, Collins was better than Bass ever was. I just think he's one of those freshmen who is struggling in how to function in a more limited role than what he's used to. In non-conference, he was allowed to play more and showed flashes. In conferences, he's being limited to spot minutes behind Hickey and he looks out of sorts trying to figure out exactly what he can and can't do. That's not unusual for freshmen being asked to take limited roles after a lifetime of being "the man" on their teams.

And that's no criticism of the way he's used either. Collins needs to adjust to his role, his role doesn't need to be adjusted.

Big difference between Stringer and Collins is that Stringer was thrown in the fold and expected to immediately contribute. Naturally, his numbers suffered. You think Collins would be killing it if he played 30 minutes a game? It's like a pro player that logs 10 minutes at max effort and pulls down 7 boards a game and people automatically assume that number would be double that if he played all game. It doesn't work that way.