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re: We compared Kelly’s & DiNardo’s first 3 years at LSU… Today let’s do Kelly & Saban

Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:15 am to
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:15 am to
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We literally had 35 people on scholarship coming off the heals of a blow out lose to KState with a WR at QB when he took over.

We literally didn’t.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
58728 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:15 am to
You just proved the argument. Kelly would’ve never taken this job nor could we have hired him if we were in the situation we were in 1999-2000. That alone proves he inherited a better program.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
34608 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:15 am to
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Saban only had 19 guys here



Link?


Off the top of my head
Rohan
Jarvis green
Howard green
Trev Faulk
Bradie James
Josh reed
Toefield
Dominick Davis
Robert royal

Those are arguable LSU legends much less starters that he inherited. All except Faulk spent significant time in the NFL
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
11822 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:16 am to
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What are you even talking about LSU started the year 3-3. Rohan got hurt in the SEC CG.


We are talking about Season 3 genius. That is the topic of this thread. I said he was coming off an SEC title in year 2 going into year 3 unlike Kelly. He won when it counted in year two and overachieved. Kelly brought what is one of the worst defenses in LSU history in year two with free agency to allow him to fill any holes.


This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 7:18 am
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
58728 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:16 am to
And that’s nowhere near 19 players so keep going. And btw they weren’t legends until Saban got here.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 7:17 am
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
34608 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:18 am to
That’s a bunch of all sec and NFL talent.


Kelly inherited two NFL first rounders at WR an underachieving DT who was perpetually hurt and not much else.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
11822 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:20 am to
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That’s a bunch of all sec and NFL talent. Kelly inherited two NFL first rounders at WR an underachieving DT who was perpetually hurt and not much else.


I forgot where Saban had the luxury of free transfers and a pool of college experienced players to have his pick from in 2000?

Both situations are different, and Kelly’s was infinitely easier to turn around quickly with the changes in the rules.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
11350 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:23 am to
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Kelly’s was infinitely easier to turn around quickly


Seems like this is your only argument & Kelly has been adamant about how he wants to build for long term success with recruiting… which is the right decision when you’ve been given 10 years.
Posted by rattlebucket
SELA
Member since Feb 2009
12138 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:24 am to
The level of expectations are different. You cannot blame covid and schollies with the portal and NIL available.

Here is the evidence: LSU fans wanted Saban as governor for the thought of a 10 win season. LSU fans want BK gone and we probably end up winning 10 games

Posted by bstew3006
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:26 am to
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Saban won the SEC in his second year.


Then followed it up with an 8-5 record in yr 3

Saban got Throttled by Alabama, so did Miles, Orgeron and now Kelly. It’s going to be ok.

The dudes, LSU players/dogs are on the way. Good recruiting class last year and monster class hitting this year. 26’ / 27’ shaping up to be huge as well.

Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
11822 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:28 am to
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Seems like this is your only argument & Kelly has been adamant about how he wants to build for long term success with recruiting… which is the right decision when you’ve been given 10 years.


Not really. He has had the easiest way to turn his team into a contender and the most resources available to him of all three coaches being discussed. He is the one that claimed to judge him on where the team is year 3 and the team is regressing without the justification of a major injury like Saban dealt with at QB in 2002 mid season.

He has had bad special teams for 3 years. Every year. He has had mediocre defense for 2 years and a great offense for one year.

Again, remind me when Saban or DiNardo were able to get a 3-year college starter to come play at LSU for another two years? Where they had the ability to work with donors to offer $5 million to a top recruit openly?

I’ll wait to hear your answers there.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 7:29 am
Posted by rattlebucket
SELA
Member since Feb 2009
12138 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:30 am to
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The situation was much worse in 1999, the very fact that we were able to attract and pay for a coach of Kelly’s stature proves it was. No way he’d have taken this job with the situation in 1999.


Thank you. I havent had coffee yet and this partly what I meant

There are valid arguments but LSU program is just at another level now where expectations are such that we dont shrug off 42-13 blowout losses and 6 straight horrible quarters of play. At home. At night. No excuse.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
58728 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:31 am to
And were any of those guy you listed 1st rounders?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
58728 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:32 am to
Is really as simple as that and it proves your point.
Posted by bstew3006
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Member since Dec 2007
12758 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:33 am to
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Kelly was handed the keys to the Ferrari and just had to put new tires on it and keep it between the lines.


What??

Think you’re confusing Miles taking over after Saban. Hell, your post makes sense for O after Miles.


Back to back 5-5, 6-6 seasons and 35 scholly players is not a Ferrari
Posted by rattlebucket
SELA
Member since Feb 2009
12138 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:50 am to
After LSU 2019, yes, covid, schollies whatever you want to blame, LSU should be turnkey 2022 forward. BK looked to have his arms around it initially but too much regression in year 3 for me
Posted by caliegeaux
Booo Cheeeen
Member since Aug 2004
11472 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 8:46 am to
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LSU should be turnkey 2022 forward. BK looked to have his arms around it initially but too much regression in year 3 for me


kelly was hired in what, december 2021? so that recruiting class was done when he got here.

2022's recruiting class and 2023 are just starting to get their feet wet. normally studs from those classes would be great quality depth, with the rare starters or at least high rotational guys. since we had no studs in front of them from a depleted roster, those guys are earning their stripes now with little to nothing behind them, which is why we have guys like Penn, Burns, Ryan starting. i personally have said i would judge BK after his 3rd full recruiting class.

next years class should be the 1st signs of great incoming freshman providing some depth to guys who have earned their stripes with some guys seeing high rotational time........with the exception that our O line will likely need a portal guy or 2.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 8:49 am
Posted by Mattgobear
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2007
3203 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 8:54 am to
We may have won 3 SEC titles in a row if Mauck didn't get hurt at the end of the 2002 Florida blowout.
Posted by Shaq4prez
The Deaf Dome
Member since Oct 2021
4102 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 8:56 am to
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Saban won the SEC in his second year.

True

Kelly played for the SEC championship in his 1st year


So the comparison in overall record is fair
Posted by tiger25
Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
2243 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 9:18 am to
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You cannot compare the level of where LSU football was when Saban took over vs Kelly.

Saban had to rebuild the brand and had a way more uphill climb. Kelly was handed the keys to the Ferrari and just had to put new tires on it and keep it between the lines.


Anyone who thinks this can't be reasoned with. O ran this program into the ground.

Everyone loves to talk about the transfer portal as if it's some sure fire way to rebuild the program. It worked out for us in year 1 and was horrible last year. We tried to get some DTs this year and just got out spent.

If you want all thse star transfer portal players it's time to pony up and pay for them instead of bitching on this board.
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