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re: We are still playing streetball. I don’t get it.

Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:10 pm to
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24326 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:10 pm to
Have you even watched a minute of any game this year? I see a dramatic difference in offense and defense is giving way more effort to try to get to the perimeter.
When we go big, we can’t defend. Reap is a liability. He isn’t fluid.
At least Epps can somewhat shoot from the perimeter.

Look at FT shooting as a point of fundamentals improvement.

Stupid arse dissertation you attempted to write, none of which I read.
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
Member since Jan 2014
19232 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:11 pm to
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We still play terrible defense. Offensively we're not too bad.


It’s not a bad offense when we run it. We didn’t seem to run it at all in the second half. It was spread out and let waters and Mays penetrate. Too many turnovers and empty possessions from that type of scheme contributed to a defense that no one can say is anywhere close to being effective.
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
A man more eviler than Skeletor.
Member since Feb 2005
50655 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:13 pm to
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It’s not a bad offense when we run it. We didn’t seem to run it at all in the second half. It was spread out and let waters and Mays penetrate. Too many turnovers and empty possessions from that type of scheme contributed to a defense that no one can say is anywhere close to being effective.


you mean letting the guy who had 16 points on 6-7 shooting who was beating his man off the dribble every time was a bad idea?

it's not like houston runs similar plays for james harden all the time. or any other team anywhere. mays was getting to the rim at will. this was not an offensive scheme problem.

dude. give it up. you fricked this up by complaining about the wrong thing and comparing it to "streetball" in your title.
Posted by Cheupique
Breaux Bridge
Member since Oct 2013
2111 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:15 pm to
Why would you say losing is a huge upset?
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
Member since Jan 2014
19232 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:15 pm to
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Stupid arse dissertation you attempted to write, none of which I read.


You guys kill me by responding to posts that you “don’t read.” So cool of you.

Read it. You may not agree with anything but discuss it from your point of view and tell me why you disagree other than the fact you think you know more than me.
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
Member since Jan 2014
19232 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:18 pm to
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Why would you say losing is a huge upset?


The media views it that way. It’ll probably be a respectable loss.

But saying that, along with the factors I pointed out when breaking down the game, we should have won...going away really. We had an opportunity to blow it out at the beginning of the second half and we kept turning the ball over and missing shots.
This post was edited on 12/16/17 at 3:19 pm
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24326 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:22 pm to
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Read it. You may not agree with anything but discuss it from your point of view and tell me why you disagree other than the fact you think you know more than me.



Don’t write street ball in the title and I might have read it.
Street ball doesn’t shoot 80% from the FT line as a point of reference. JJ teams could shoot shite for FT for example.

Mays last charge call was BS. He has to learn to control himself though. There is way more more ball movement with this team in general. The issue was he length of the team they played. They had trouble passing over or through this defense. Good defensive teams will make teams with good offenses look like hot shite. It’s as simple as that.
That’s why the Spurs are successful.

The NBA is pure garbage.
This post was edited on 12/16/17 at 3:37 pm
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
Member since Jan 2014
19232 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:25 pm to
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you mean letting the guy who had 16 points on 6-7 shooting who was beating his man off the dribble every time was a bad idea?


Good point. Mays kept us in the game with that scheme in the first half. But it didn’t work for him in the second half. Hence my point. When it stops working you have to have something else to turn to. We shot 57 percent in the first half. We finished at 49 percent so the offense wasn’t as effective 2nd half.
Posted by vidtiger23
Member since Feb 2012
4741 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:25 pm to
You’re right. Let’s change by far the best phase of our team. The offense
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31901 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:26 pm to
A motion offense takes 5 players who all have good basketball knowledge and know where to be, when to cut, what to look for.

It’s not just something everyone can run. We don’t have 5 smart basketballl players as far as basketball IQ is concerned
Posted by ParrishGore
Walker, La.
Member since Aug 2013
939 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:28 pm to
Not really straight up street ball, I just see where Wade allows players to create some on their own, but within the context of the structured offense. I mean, they run an offense and if a lane to the basket opens, then he gives them free reins to make the move. That SFA starting five is juniors and seniors who've been playing together and in this system for 2 to 3 years. So, yea, they have more experience than LSU's team, and one of LSU's best and most experienced players is hurt. I don't think people realize how valuable Sampson is to this team. If he hadn't got hurt, I truly believe LSU would have won this game. Even Kentucky, with all their top 20 high school players every season, struggles at this time of the season. SFA isn't a push-over, they have an experienced and solid team. By the time conference play starts, LSU will be a much better team. Right now they are a top 35 team, maybe 40, but they will be a top 20 team before this season is done.
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
Member since Jan 2014
19232 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:34 pm to
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Don’t wrote street ball in the title and I might have read it.
Street ball doesn’t shoot 80% from the FT line as a point of reference. JJ teams could shoot shite for FT for example.


Look, street ball, AAU ball, playground ball. It’s the same meaning to me. It’s too much individual ball handling by one player resulting in a long shot or drive by that player with very little to no screening or passing.

I saw a lot of that 2nd half and it resulted in a lot of empty possessions with charges (bad calls or not), turnovers and missed layups, mostly by Mays and waters.

Even the last 3 by Waters was like that. Despite the fact he made it and makes that shot often, If he misses that we’re wondering why we didn’t run something for an easier, more efficient shot. But it seems we live and die by that kind of offense too many times.

You know Edwards seemed hot and Mays has been hitting 3s at a pretty good clip. Do we not have something with a double screen that can get those guys wide open for a 3? I’ve seen us do it before. But didn’t see it much this game.
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
Member since Jan 2014
19232 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:37 pm to
And look. The defense sucks. I could write more of a book on the defense. But the offense even with its success could be more consistent, even with the players we have and the youth we have.
Posted by Howyouluhdat
On Fleek St
Member since Jan 2015
7337 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:41 pm to
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We missed 9 layups today, thats why we lost.



El oh fricking el
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
Member since Jan 2014
19232 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:46 pm to
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It’s not just something everyone can run. We don’t have 5 smart basketballl players as far as basketball IQ is concerned


And maybe that’s why.

I’m frustrated with the loss. I know the game. I know what looks right. I’m not foolish enough to think it will be perfect every time. And maybe iso plays are our best option because of the inexperience and youth. It still makes me jealous when I see other teams run something with so much movement and creates so many good looks, even for a bad defensive basketball team like ours.
Posted by LAD
New Iberia
Member since Feb 2016
1296 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:46 pm to
Of course the most glaring thing is missing the lay up at the buzzer, but I really think our downfall today was the first few minutes of the second half where SFA couldn’t hit their shots, and we had a chance to go up by 10-14 points and failed to do so.
Posted by Howyouluhdat
On Fleek St
Member since Jan 2015
7337 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:48 pm to
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By the time conference play starts, LSU will be a much better team. Right now they are a top 35 team, maybe 40, but they will be a top 20 team before this season is done.



You are joking right? Lay off the peace pipe bro
This post was edited on 12/16/17 at 3:50 pm
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
Member since Jan 2014
19232 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:50 pm to
Agreed. Probably the most frustrating 5 or 6 minute period all year. Should have had a 15 point lead by the first media timeout instead of 6. Then they come out of the timeout and score. Our inability to extend the lead there was key as far as game momentum.
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
A man more eviler than Skeletor.
Member since Feb 2005
50655 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 3:53 pm to
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Good point. Mays kept us in the game with that scheme in the first half. But it didn’t work for him in the second half. Hence my point. When it stops working you have to have something else to turn to. We shot 57 percent in the first half. We finished at 49 percent so the offense wasn’t as effective 2nd half.


it's almost like missing layups and having points removed from shitty charging calls affected our overall fg percentage.
Posted by Rjlebla
Houma
Member since Jan 2014
19232 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 4:02 pm to
I didn’t have as much of a problem on the charge calls. We got a gift on one ourselves that was worse than any of the 4 that Mays caused. The problem is that Mays should have never taken a chance after the first two. Adapt to what’s being called and what the other team has adjusted to and those empty possessions don’t happen...at least that way.
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