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Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:15 pm to Robbytiger
quote:Looked good vs bama. typically it takes an OC more then one year
It was not working....
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:17 pm to Robbytiger
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That OC is gone for a reason....
Because O is a frick-up with no real vision for the program? What do I win?
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:17 pm to justice
So you admit that it takes more time for a coaching strategy to sink in.....kind of like, rebuilding....not just player wise, but scheme wise as well....
Coaches are not miracle workers....
It took the great Saban time as well......
Coaches are not miracle workers....
It took the great Saban time as well......
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:18 pm to justice
quote:nonsense, good coordinators can get quick production. College offenses aren't complex, so the multi-year implementation excuse (like some on this board used with Cam Cameron) doesn't fly. And if an offense does take a couple years to implement and master - it's the wrong offense.
ooked good vs bama. typically it takes an OC more then one year
Ask Lane Kiffin, who made Blake Freaking Sims a very productive QB in his first year as OC, and made the playoffs.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:19 pm to Robbytiger
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That is a fair comparison....
Just cause you jest about the possibility doesn’t mean it’s not a fair comparison....
Not it isn't, dum dum.
Saban took over an LSU program that had gone 59-64 from 1990 to 1999 and went through three coaches.
Ed Orgeron took over an LSU program that had gone 90-39 from 2006-2015 and won a National Title, appeared in a second, won the SEC twice and put a metric shite-ton of players into the NFL all while recruiting near the Top 5 every single season. Had I added 2005 the numbers go to 101-41.
On second though, you're right...they took over same level of program so a loss to UAB back in 2000 is clearly the same as a loss in 2017.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:19 pm to Robbytiger
How did Saban fare in the NFL when he didn’t have the recruiting advantage in his favor?
Answer!!!!!
Answer!!!!!
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:22 pm to Robbytiger
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How did Saban fare in the NFL when he didn’t have the recruiting advantage in his favor?
Answer!!!!!
First...who are you asking??????????
Second...are you now changing the subject to nick Saban not being a good NFL coach, because once we all agree can we get back to the subject we're actually talking about?
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:24 pm to Robbytiger
quote:nope.
It took the great Saban time as well......
Saban won the SEC his second year at LSU.
At Bama, Saban was 7-6 his first year - which was truly a rebuild after the Mike Shula era. In his second year, Saban won the West.
Urban Meyer won the Mountain West his first year at Utah, and won the national championship his second year at Florida.
Great coaches can get great results very quickly.
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:25 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Those wins and losses give you no advantage when several of your starters on both sides of the line are not available at game time.....
Players win games....not past wins and losses
You really are dense....
Actually please tell me you are a troll....nobody can be this dense....can they?
Players win games....not past wins and losses
You really are dense....
Actually please tell me you are a troll....nobody can be this dense....can they?
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:29 pm to Robbytiger
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Those wins and losses give you no advantage when several of your starters on both sides of the line are not available at game time.....
What?Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:30 pm to Robbytiger
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Those wins and losses give you no advantage when several of your starters on both sides of the line are not available at game time.....
Players win games....not past wins and losses
They give you an honest assessment of the program at the time and what we had on the ground to work with. Our program in 2000 was merely a ghost of what we wanted it to be. It was the sleeping giant...and while we had a handful of pieces at the time we were very undermanned because of the terrible seasons which had lead up to it. And it literally took Josh Booty drawing up a play in the dirt for LSU to lose that fricking game...
In 2017, our LSU team...even when you consider younger guys playing more, was VASTLY superior athletically to Troy. Vastly.
There are arguments that could be made for why LSU may have struggled with Troy and maybe even lost. I'm sorry you and others seem to have decided to take the dumbest fricking line though...that we got out-manned. There is no way to argue that and all it does is make LSU look pathetic.
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You really are dense....
The day I compare decisions made by Saban to those made by Orgeron we can start talking about this being possible.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:32 pm to Robbytiger
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So you admit that it takes more time for a coaching strategy to sink in
Here it is. If LSU has the same level of success next year, Ensminger will need another year. And then, after 2108, all of the losses on the defense are going to need a season to get caught up and so ...
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:34 pm to Robbytiger
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So you admit that it takes more time for a coaching strategy to sink in.....kind of like, rebuilding....not just player wise, but scheme wise as well....
Coaches are not miracle workers....
You just said you were happy Orgeron interfered with a new OC and new offensive scheme a month into the season.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:36 pm to GeauxTigerTM
If they were vastly superior, how come the LSU lines were getting knocked in the dirt?
What about the 2008 Troy team that had outscored the LSU offense by 30 in the first half of that game....?
Was LSU vastly superior....or maybe we just rotated more players in and wore out their first string in the 4th? And that’s what the difference was in that game.....
What about the 2008 Troy team that had outscored the LSU offense by 30 in the first half of that game....?
Was LSU vastly superior....or maybe we just rotated more players in and wore out their first string in the 4th? And that’s what the difference was in that game.....
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:39 pm to Robbytiger
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If they were vastly superior, how come the LSU lines were getting knocked in the dirt?
Because the coaches didn't have their players ready to play! That's the whole discussion. The LSU players didn't play hard enough until very late in the game. That's what everyone is trying to tell you and that's supposed to be O's strongest area. Motivating his guys to play.
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:40 pm to Robbytiger
quote:the difference is quite simple: WE WEREN'T MENTALLY READY TO PLAY. And that's mostly on the coaches, whose job it is to demand intensity and effort from their players.
f they were vastly superior, how come the LSU lines were getting knocked in the dirt?
What about the 2008 Troy team that had outscored the LSU offense by 30 in the first half of that game....?
Was LSU vastly superior....or maybe we just rotated more players in and wore out their first string in the 4th? And that’s what the difference was in that game.....
Honestly, you think Troy's 2008 starters were comparable to ours and we just wore them down late?
Seriously, Clark?
Posted on 7/25/18 at 3:59 pm to Robbytiger
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If they were vastly superior, how come the LSU lines were getting knocked in the dirt?
In an attempt to be an apologist for Ed Orgeron, you're throwing the LSU Football program under the bus...you know that, right?
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What about the 2008 Troy team that had outscored the LSU offense by 30 in the first half of that game....?
Same reason as above...they were unmotivated and poorly coached, and yet still came back and won. And, oddly enough, that win...as bad as it was...is STILL brought up here. Why? Because there used to be a time in the program where even playing a poor team close was seen as a disaster. Now? We argue that a loss to the same level of team was no big deal and a result of not having enough athletes to play against them.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 4:43 pm to Robbytiger
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You really think O didn’t confer with leaders at LSU on how to handle questions about whether our team could compete or not....
No, I don't. I think Orgeron told Alleva "I'm going to get Lane Kiffin at OC" and Alleva was like "ok that sounds interesting, but I want to hire Tom Herman."
Then Tom Herman and his agent played Alleva like a fool, so much so that Alleva called Orgeron at 5 AM most likely after drinking all night and said "aw fck it, go hire Kiffin".
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They knew we’d have issues....but they tried their best work around those weaknesses.....and for the most part LSU did compete.....we ended the year with a 9-4 record....last time I checked, that is a winning season ....
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Those wins and losses give you no advantage when several of your starters on both sides of the line are not available at game time.....
These comments taken together make absolutely no sense.
and I'm sorry, did we fire Miles and hire Orgeron because we want "winning seasons"? Because I could have sworn he was hired for the sake of continuity because LSU can still compete at an elite level.
except for when going up against the elite teams of the fcking Sun Belt.
Posted on 7/25/18 at 6:49 pm to TigerLunatik
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Because the coaches didn't have their players ready to play!
This is a copout to a degree. I don't personally remember in high school a coach having to "get us ready to play" per se. Sure they gave us the scheme or game plan we were going to implement against a particular opponent but when it came to motivating us...that pretty much took care of itself when the lights went on on Friday nights.
If you're a big time college football player and your not already intrinsically motivated to go....the fuq you and the horse you rode in on. You can take the next bus out of BR.
And that what include all armchair QBs on this site who claimed to have been huge stars in HS/college.
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