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Was quarterback development ever an issue?

Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:01 pm
Posted by Tiger on the Rag
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:01 pm
Maybe not. After all Coach E was a quarterback. It seems that the scheme was the issue and not having a scheme that fits the quarterbacks you had. Spread qb's under center not good.
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:02 pm to
how do you develop a qb unless you have an offensive scheme that allows them to put theory into practice ?
Posted by Tiger on the Rag
Cattle Gap Egypt
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:03 pm to
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how do you develop a qb unless you have an offensive scheme that allows them to put theory into practice ?




Yep. That was my point.
Posted by 225Tyga
Member since Oct 2013
15821 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:03 pm to
Yes, QB development was a huge part of the offensive stuggles.

However offensive scheme remains the main culprit.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14916 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:04 pm to
I don't think you can ever just pin it all down to one thing. The scheme may have been an issue, but I don't think we were recruiting the most talented throwers either.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:05 pm to
Yes.

Burrow came here already very developed. He didn't have great numbers last year, but you could tell he made good decisions and was in command. The offense just sucked.

We've had years where the QB looked lost and the offense sucked.

Posted by Tiger on the Rag
Cattle Gap Egypt
Member since Jan 2018
6837 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:06 pm to
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However offensive scheme remains the main culprit.



Which seems to good now. Compare Joe in last years offense and compare him now. There is no comparison. The Scheme is what made the difference. Not development. He was already a good quarterback but was in the wrong scheme and did well.
Posted by PawnMaster
Down Yonder
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:09 pm to
Mettenberger came in here and lit it up so yes, QB development was an issue.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:09 pm to
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Yes.

Burrow came here already very developed. He didn't have great numbers last year, but you could tell he made good decisions and was in command. The offense just sucked.

We've had years where the QB looked lost and the offense sucked.


SO far this is like Mett all over again (and to a lesser extent, Etling). We still don't know if we can develop a QB out of high school.
Posted by 225Tyga
Member since Oct 2013
15821 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:10 pm to
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Not development. He was already a good quarterback


Development often refers to a QB who comes in, red-shirts his freshman year, backs up his next year and then gets the start as a red-shirt sophomore. Sophomore year to Junior year, you should see HUGE strides.

Myles Brennan is a good example of this. His progressions from this season to next season will determine if Joe Brady is a good QB developer in addition to having an offensive mind.
Posted by Todd O'Connor
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:12 pm to
It is definitely scheme.

I am not saying all out prior QBs woudl have been this good, but they would have all looked better.

We used to ask our QB to do things NFL QBs do all while ignoring that at least 50% of NFL QBs don't even do those things well.

You can say "oh recruiting to fit"

are there are lot of QBs out there in high school that process at an NFL level?

This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 1:20 pm
Posted by Tigerbythetale
Las Vegas
Member since Aug 2014
1458 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:13 pm to
Perhaps Joe Brady might help a little bit in this area
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7558 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:15 pm to
A. Scheme was definitely an issue

B. notice our 3 best QBs post Flynn have all been transfers?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28386 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:15 pm to
Other than the one season with Mettenberger when LSU's defense necessitated doing away with the risk-averse approach, Les never put his QB's in a position to succeed. His approach to the QB position and offense in general was "just don't frick things up" instead of actually putting them in position to be explosive.

Les would rather eek out a win vs. a 20 point underdog than run the risk his QB could throw an INT by going over the middle of the field in the redzone. He went into every game hoping to "just enough" on offense to win rather than allowing the offense to potentially be great. Only when he was forced to throw caution to the wind did you get glimpses of what the offense could do.

2008 forever ruined him. From that point on he would rather have a terribly below-avg offense than ever run the risk of pick-6's again. The problem was he failed to realize a big part of the interceptions was Lee's proclivity to become absolutely panic-stricken in the face of even slight pressure
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42738 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:16 pm to
Combination of development and terrible recruiting/identifying the best fit
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84879 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:26 pm to
Yes because we were asking kids to come in and essentially speak an entirely different language in order to play Quarterback here.

Imagine going to a college where you speak English but you’re taught in Japanese. And the kids you’re competing with all are being taught in English. It’s just you that’s being asked to do it in Japanese. Not a recipe for success.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 1:34 pm
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13035 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:27 pm to
It was 75% scheme and 25% not developing/not enough talent to begin with
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35413 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:56 pm to
Harris was never going to develop as a QB. He was too much of a project and had zero patience. It didn't help that there were so few QB's on the roster that he was second string by default. Also didn't help that Les Miles was directly involved in his development.

Jennings could have been a good, not great QB. But he was also thrust into a starting roll too early and only had Harris (who was clearly getting under his skin) as backup / competition. After his soph year he was benched without a prayer of playing.

Those were the only QB's given a chance while the rest (Mett, Etling, and Burrow) were all transfers. Unless you want to debate the JLvJJ era all over again.

Brennan looks good. Orgeron thought he and McMillan weren't ready so he got Burrow. Therefore Brennan wasn't put in a bad spot too early and has had time to clearly develop. McMillan moved on rightly so, and there is no telling if Narcisse would have benefited from being patient and not moving on before year 2.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10460 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:57 pm to
I wouldn't really give E credit for anything with Burrow. No offense, but he came here with 3 years of training from Meyer and company at tOSU.

That's like claiming credit for Mett's full development to Cam Cameron. It's in no way true.

Hell, Crowton had great success with Flynn only to fizzle out after having a developed QB to work with.

It was clearly both.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35413 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 2:12 pm to
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I wouldn't really give E credit for anything with Burrow. No offense, but he came here with 3 years of training from Meyer and company at tOSU.
Burrow has improved so much since game 1 of last year, you have to give some credit to the coaching staff. Obviously most of the credit goes to Burrow himself.
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