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re: USC has to be kicking themselves right now
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:57 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:57 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Excuse me, Jake Coker just won a natty, didn't receive any heisman votes. My bad.
Right because he's the reason they won
But again he is from Mobile. Like Eason transferred to Washington because that's where he's from that's different. quote:
Burrow specifically, but getting a productive transfer QB is increasingly common
yes, it is but that's because of the new transfer rules that went into place just after JB transferred to LSU.
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Orgeron had the foresight to save scholarships in preparation for a deficiency identified in the spring, rather than using them on a questionable take on signing day. He also hired Bill Busch with the intention of increasing the recruiting footprint of the staff. Finally, he sold Burrow on his vision of a wide open offense and closed on him.
A series of calculated decisions led to Burrow being at LSU, and even if they weren't specifically made with Burrow in mind, they were good decisions by Orgeron that put him in that position. To act like it was pure dumb luck is to be disingenuous.
I agree with all of that, but lets be frank, its not exactly brilliant analysis that LSU needed a QB
but you are taking it the wrong way. He was still lucky that Burrow was available. That's not a knock, people misunderstand that all, saying something was luck does not mean there is a complete absence of skill or even that just anyone could have done it.
To use a different example, if Oklahoma State beats Iowa State in 2011, Alabama does not make the BCSCG, so they were lucky that happened, but were able to take advantage of it. Same principal applies here. So Sure knew he needed a new QB and did a great job getting him to campus but What if Meyer goes with Burrow does O get Haskins or does he go home to Maryland? Thankfully we'll never know and while transfer QBs a re not new and certainly becoming more and more common, there was no one else available at that time, spring 2018, that could be doing what Burrow is, that's fortunate if you prefer.
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 11:10 am
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:58 am to mdtiger1
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If you know USC or lived in that area ... OUTSIDERS are never really let in fully.
So, I work closely with Hadens Son in law and have talked with Pat several times, but never about O's non hire formally just in passing. He knows my kid is @ LSU and he smiles and shakes his head often saying he wishes he could have made the USC and O relationship work. He stated regularly how much pressure he was under to NOT hire O because O was looked down upon based on his accent, and his unconventional coaching tactics. It did not fit the USC way. Haden received hundreds of emails every weekend from donors, and upper level critics that just didn't care for O. His SIL said Sunday eve and Monday Mornings were miserable for him, all damage control. Haden absolutely hated it, and liked O, but when the Billionaire donors are demanding he is released, his hands were tied. Everything added up finally where he pulled the cord, much like Swann just did. Couldn't take the BS outside donor influencers that steered that ship.
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 11:02 am
Posted on 10/17/19 at 11:09 am to Madking
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Can’t get into details but people in the know will back me on this. USC wanted to hire Orgeron as head coach but there were personal issues which forced him to decline.
In that span of time, it would be easier to count the coaches who left USC without personal issues.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 11:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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if Oregon doesn't luck into Burrow last year
He didn't "luck" into Burrow last year. He saw our situation at QB and knew what we had wouldn't cut it moving forward. He then indentified Joe Burrow as a solution, made him priority # 1, and did what he does best, which was to recruit him to LSU.
Orgeron deserves 100% credit for him being here...
Posted on 10/17/19 at 11:40 am to rrboy
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LSU saved what 9 million in 2 years not hiring Jimbo
Not really. You'd have to subtract two years of Aranda's excess salary (that is, above what you'd normally pay). I'll say we replaced two years of Jimbo ($14 million?) with two years of Orgeron ($7 million) plus two years excess Aranda money ($3 million), so we saved about $4 million.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 11:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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if Oregon doesn't luck into Burrow last year he's likely not our coach this year
Luck? That was not luck.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 11:44 am to supersaints9
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Can’t get into details but people in the know will back me on this. USC wanted to hire Orgeron as head coach but there were personal issues which forced him to decline
#1 His wife was still in Louisiana. She said she wasn’t moving to LA. Ex boss was her neighbor. They just finished building a house when he got the job.
#2 I have friends that are USC grads and they were furious about him leaving. They were also laughing at clueless LSU fans that thought he was a bad hire.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 11:45 am to rbdallas
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If you know USC or lived in that area ...
OUTSIDERS are never really let in fully.
Southern California? Everyone there is an outsider.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 11:50 am to SCREWDAT
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He didn't "luck" into Burrow last year. He saw our situation at QB and knew what we had wouldn't cut it moving forward. He then indentified Joe Burrow as a solution, made him priority # 1, and did what he does best, which was to recruit him to LSU.
Orgeron deserves 100% credit for him being here...
That's true, but we had an "in" (Busch). That's what got our foot in the door.
Now if you want to say Busch's hiring was a long-term play to get Burrow in the fold, then yes, genius move. I think we were somewhat lucky, and there's nothing wrong with being lucky. We had someone on the staff that the Burrows (obviously great football minds) respect, so that's a good move simply having Busch on the staff. But him needing out of Ohio St, us needing a QB in the worst way, and Busch being on the staff, that scenario was not designed.
The better you are, the luckier you get. You should take it as a compliment towards him.
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 11:51 am
Posted on 10/17/19 at 11:56 am to rrboy
There's got to be an Aggie joke in there about A & M paying Fisher twice as much money as Sumlin to continue to lose 4 games a year.
We dodged a serious bullet by not getting Jimbo. He ran FL St in the ground and was blown past by Clemson despite having highly ranked recruiting classes every year.
We dodged a serious bullet by not getting Jimbo. He ran FL St in the ground and was blown past by Clemson despite having highly ranked recruiting classes every year.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 11:58 am to Penrod
quote:not if Jimbo keeps Aranda
two years excess Aranda money ($3 million),
Posted on 10/17/19 at 12:16 pm to Madking
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Can’t get into details but people in the know will back me on this. USC wanted to hire Orgeron as head coach but there were personal issues which forced him to decline.
This is ridiculous. Why don't you do a quick Google search before you try to make up stories??
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USC interim coach Ed Orgergon will not coach the Trojans in a bowl game, resigning after learning about the school's decision to hire Washington coach Steve Sarkisian.
"He understandably was disappointed when I told him we were going in a different direction," athletic director Pat Haden said on Monday. We talked about the possibility of him remaining at USC, but Ed wants to be a head coach, and I am supportive of that."
Orgeron reportedly held an emotional meeting with the team, saying goodbye before beginning his search for other head coaching opportunities. LINK
Posted on 10/17/19 at 12:51 pm to H-Town Tiger
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but you are taking it the wrong way. He was still lucky that Burrow was available. That's not a knock, people misunderstand that all, saying something was luck does not mean there is a complete absence of skill or even that just anyone could have done it
I agree with you, but in slowflowpro’s case he absolutely was implying that there was an absense of skill and anyone could have done it.
People here are allergic to actually seeing both sides of something. I think Orgeron was definitely fortunate that Joe Burrow ended up being the guy, but he was also active in setting the table for it to happen and knew he had to address the QB situation immediately. I won’t start a pissing match by naming them but I can think of several coaches who probably would have tried to make it work with what we had rather than bringing in another guy.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 1:03 pm to Penrod
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Southern California? Everyone there is an outsider.
usually southern Cal means San Diego
... USC is in LA (basically-a suburb therof) and is PRIVATE which makes even more uppity
Posted on 10/17/19 at 1:50 pm to H-Town Tiger
So someone on here is trying to still say Orgeron is not a good coach.. just lucky that Burrow dropped in our lap.
So last year the same people were telling us Burrow was not that good. Some of them still are
What is the point. Orgeron is delivering great results.
So last year the same people were telling us Burrow was not that good. Some of them still are
What is the point. Orgeron is delivering great results.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 2:02 pm to Madking
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Ask him, you do know he resigned from USC right?
Yeah, right after they offered the job to Sarkisian and BEFORE USCs bowl game. Perfectly understandable if he was passed over for the job but not if he turned it down IMO.
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Nobody fired him
Absolutely true, he did the one thing I think any principled man would do in that situation, he resigned. You could say he may have wanted to wait until after the bowl but I personally think I would have done what he did.
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Sark even tried to renegotiate his deal in order to keep him.
Would have been the smart thing to do. He is universally regarded as a fantastic recruiter and D-line coach. Even by those who do not like him as the LSU head coach.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 3:13 pm to TriumphTiger
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He would have always been some kind of joke at USC, even with success.
Hell, there are idiots around here that still consider him a joke.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 3:32 pm to GeauxtigersMs36
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Hard to sell from the bayou in LA.
I've never been anywhere that a jovial coonass can't win over a room just by being himself.
LA/SF included
Posted on 10/17/19 at 3:34 pm to X123F45
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Hard to sell from the bayou in LA.
I've never been anywhere that a jovial coonass can't win over a room just by being himself.
LA/SF included
I mean, yeah, say what you will about O's actual x's & o's coaching ability, but he was considered by most all accounts to be some sort of recruiting Svengali out there for many years.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 3:37 pm to Y.A. Tittle
... Ignoring the negative connotations... Sure
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