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re: USA Today new story on mishandling of misconduct complaints against athletes

Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:04 pm to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:04 pm to
just google which ever one you want to read about
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:04 pm to
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Heads always roll with something like this and if what you wrote can be proven beyond doubt, then he’s toast. And he should be. And the tennis coaches. Anything beyond them will be very difficult to prove other than staff who aren’t at LSU anymore.


If a legit federal Title IX investigation happens, more details will likely come to light.
Posted by KingofthePoint
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:05 pm to
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(maybe I missed it)


He said he couldn’t comment
Posted by LaBR4
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:12 pm to
All of these Victims contacted LSU Police Department or Baton Rouge PD after being raped, right?

Or they went to the tennis coach?

Did they know they could have contacted the city police?

This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 12:15 pm
Posted by lostinbr
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:15 pm to
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May 2017: Victim's father spoke with Tennis Coach Sell on two other occasions that summer about alleged abuse.

April 14 2018: Davis admits in a text message to Verge Ausberry that he punched the victim. The conversation was not revealed until Aug during a search warrant. Message was deleted from Ausberry's phone despite LSU protocol of keeping for 5 years.

April 25 2018: Victim is punched by Davis, also tells LSU athletic trainer Donovan White about May 2017 episode. Segar files Title IX report. This is the first time the victim has officially filed reports on incidents.

First off, thanks for putting that timeline together. I think it makes things much more objective.

Two things I notice:

1. Despite Ausberry deleting the text message (which I agree is not a good look), it looks like things moved pretty quickly after that point. And when I say “quickly,” I mean that in the context of a bureaucratic internal investigation.

2. The bigger question to me is what happened between May 2017 and April 2018. That seems to be where the real failure lies.
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:16 pm to
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If a legit federal Title IX investigation happens, more details will likely come to light.


So are you hoping and wishing that, or just assuming? Because that’s how your posts read.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:16 pm to
What has police done?

Why is rape report to LSU and not police
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:28 pm to
Im not sure what rape you are specifically talking about, but you should read the policies put forth for the universities thru title ix.
Posted by lostinbr
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:32 pm to
Also, two excerpts from the article that I think are worth pointing out:
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Federal laws and LSU’s own policies require university officials to take such allegations seriously and report them to the Title IX office for investigation, as well as to campus police if the incidents occurred on school property.

Notable, especially in the context of the other excerpt:
quote:

Many universities operate from a fear of being sued in Title IX cases, said Sarah Nesbitt, a policy and advocacy organizer for the nonprofit, Know Your IX, citing a huge uptick in lawsuits filed by disciplined male students against their universities in the past five years.

“Schools are not oblivious to the fact that even if they can defeat a lawsuit, it’s still a drain on resources,” Nesbitt said.

While the article certainly does not look good for LSU, this is about more than football. Half of the cases mentioned in the article don’t involve athletes at all. Public universities are trying to walk a tight rope between complying with Title IX regulations and avoiding lawsuits from accused students who don’t receive the same due process protections that they would have in a criminal case.

The article mentions several students who received deferred suspensions - implying that they had not been punished. But a deferred suspension is a punishment. The real implication is that the punishment wasn’t severe enough, but it’s a little misleading to conflate that with other allegations that the university hasn’t addressed these types of issues at all.
Posted by Midtiger farm
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:34 pm to
The girl was Davis’ gf the whole time so how do we know she was not recanting her story and saying everything was fine?
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:44 pm to
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All of these Victims contacted LSU Police Department or Baton Rouge PD after being raped, right?

Did you even read the article or just start melting pre-emptively?
Posted by DBG
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:46 pm to
If King Alexander were to get dragged for this...that would be a good thing.
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 12:47 pm
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:47 pm to
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So are you hoping and wishing that, or just assuming? Because that’s how your posts read.


It's pretty safe to assume that a federal investigation with subpoena authority would discover more details.
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:48 pm to
2019: LSU has greatest season ever, locker room is the tightest I've ever seen, pretty much no scandals, LSU brand is the strongest ever with people like Randy Moss on national TV repping and openly cheering for us

2020: strong possibility of a losing season, potential disconnect between coaches and players, and now here comes the scandals to rub some salt in the wounds.


What a stark contrast.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:53 pm to
It's too early in the week to be melting down, hoss
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:55 pm to
Many allegations with moderate to no punishment. What needs to be shown is thorough investigation by the university and full disclosure to local police.
Posted by LSUDAN1
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 1:07 pm to
Coach O should be fired. Best way to get rid of Pelini
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 1:09 pm to
Seems to be a whole lot of hate for LSU going on there in media land.
Posted by waiting4saturday
Covington, LA
Member since Sep 2005
10949 posts
Posted on 11/16/20 at 1:12 pm to
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This feels like a regurgitated article about Guice which has been covered at length.

Also Davis was suspended before he was expelled and it feels disingenuous to leave that out.

Davis, Parrish, Provens, Parker and Schaffer all left the team or were kicked off.

I feel like throwing out accusation against Phillips and Delpit with 0 follow up is fricking irresponsible at best.

Also leaving out facts like Davis being suspended before he was expelled and Phillips and Godchaux both having their charges almost immediately dropped is bullshite.


When you bring up accusations, but leave out the actions the program took, then you’re writing a hit piece, not journalism.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 1:22 pm to
What actions were taken against Guice by LSU?
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