re: Updated 4-year recruiting rankings for all 130 teams, where the SEC completely dominates

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I would be very curious if this would be you're same opinion if LSU finished outside the top 20

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Good point! Seems for some posters, rankings only count when they are negative. Look-- I'm not satisfied with where LSU is, especially on offense. I expect to see vast improvement (returning starting QB, healthier OL, new asst coach in passing game, etc.). This year will be critical in O and Ensminger's longevity at their current positions.

Was O a failure at Ole Miss? Without question. Is he a failure here? Not so far. Has he improved Mile's results from a yearly record perspective? Not yet.

Reality is not a completely rosy picture nor a complete heater skelter disaster.

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Perhaps I am wasting my time, bc in your prior post you start by saying you hated Miles-- while his latter years were marred by a stubborn refusal to change offense, his first 7-9 years (especially 07 and 11) put LSU in an elite group. If you didn't appreciate those times, you will never appreciate LSU football.

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Agree. I said as much when I said that he beat 5 teams three in the Top 5 at the END OF THE SEASON in 2011.

I gave him some slack, by the end I despised what he had become - wanting to not lose instead of playing to win - settling / mediocrity.

The issue with Orgeron is he HAS ZERO proof he can win even with the “fecord” of 2 wins against 2 P5 teams that have won more than 8 games. Yet Praise O as he isn’t 3-23 like at Ole Miss.

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You can be happy, but not satisfied. That philosophy does not equal "settling for mediocrity."

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that’s exactly what settling is. When a person like Ree tries to convince everyone that 3rd in the West and 5th overall is a great year people say they are “happy” when in reality it becomes acceptable ie satisfies as being good enough.

I didn't say any of that stuff at all. I don't even know why you brought all of that up. I was strictly talking about the relevance of the final rankings.

I think these rankings are skewed in the sense LSU (in the past and some now) lands highly ranked skill guys in numbers and don't land highly ranked o-line and d-line players in numbers. So overall, the class ranking is high but where your biggest needs are you are somewhat deficient and computes to the disparities against the best teams in the nation. This staff has to somehow land elite OT's to solidify the offensive side of the ball. O also will have to change his approach to offensive playcalling and being more aggressive in certain junctures of the games. I don't care what people say, SE doesn't have total autonomy of that offense and SE can be better at his job also but he's not terrible.

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Am I to gather from that statement that the poll would be relevant if LSU did poorly, but not if they finished at 6?

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I'm not sure how much clearer I could state that it is precisely this assumption that is ridiculous.

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All teams in top 5 have been in playoffs except one. Obviously talent isn’t the issue then. Must be coaching

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Alabama = 93%
UGA = 76%
LSU = 70%
Oklahoma = 85%
Ohio St = 89%

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Coaching is a fair point, but also notice: the two teams with the lowest winning percentage, LSU and Georgia, are in the same conference as the team with the best (and #1 on this recruiting list).
Georgia is in the SEC East, didn't face Alabama the year they made the playoffs (until the title game, where they lost).
LSU is in the SEC West and played (and lost to) Alabama every season.

If you play the top team (best recruits overall), it doesn't really matter if you're 2nd or 3rd nationally, you're still not going to be the most talented team on the field that day.
This is not an excuse, it's simple fact. LSU in another conference likely makes the playoffs by now. Georgia might make it more than once. Ohio State or Oklahoma in the SEC West might not make it once, either.

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quote: You can be happy, but not satisfied. That philosophy does not equal "settling for mediocrity." that’s exactly what settling is.

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Please explain how "happy, but not satisfied" is settling, but "upset/whining/bitching, but not satisfied" is not settling.

Wow, this basketball game is driving me back to a football conversation!

People bitching about LSU not making the playoffs, despite their having the #3 recruiting ranking in this group...

let's look at it from a playoff perspective. You have 5 power conferences (plus Notre Dame) to choose 4 teams.

SEC: #1 Bama, #2 UGA, #3 LSU, #6 Fla, #7 Auburn, #8 A&M.

Big 12: #4 Oklahoma, #9 Texas, next best is TCU at #30.

Big 10: #5 Ohio State, then you get Penn State and Michigan at #11 and #12.

ACC: Clemson #10, Fla St #15, Miami #23.

Pac 12: Oregon is tops at #13, USC #16, Washington #18.

Notre Dame, only independent that will ever get a look, is #14.

So yeah, LSU is #3 in the nation. They're also #3 in their own conference, and 2nd in the SEC West, and they play 1, 6,7, and 8 annually. Yes, we're 0-fer against #1 Alabama, but we've done well against everyone else.

*Jeez, while I typed this stuff up, the basketball game has really turned around. I'm almost afraid to quit typing

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Are you 8?

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That makes me 5 years older than you.