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re: Unpopular opinion... Ed is finishing the season
Posted on 9/17/21 at 9:52 pm to AndrewD
Posted on 9/17/21 at 9:52 pm to AndrewD
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half of y'all would rather see somebody get fired rather than watch a game.
I am not that half. I really want O to be successful because that means our program is successful.
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Posted on 9/17/21 at 9:55 pm to la_birdman
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When the product on the field doesn't improve over the course of a season and then the following season arrives and it doesn't look much different than the prior one and we keep getting the same excuses from the head coach, people are going to voice their displeasure.
BS. Pure BS. That's why our fan base is soft. We don't get what we want so we take the ball and go home. At HALFTIME. If you want to win you have to show up and compete first. We're too soft for that. Most of the fans gave up on the baseball team when we had a legit run at the CWS. Now we have people crying in week 2. Buck up.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:00 pm to la_birdman
I just don't get people freaking out over 2020. That was a season that really shouldn't have even been played. Global pandemic, empty stadiums, spring practice impacted, schedule changed, opt outs, new rules to navigate. 2020 was the worst season in LSU history, but to be fair it was the worst year for a lot of teams, businesses, and families. Anybody in the country freaking out over their team or coach for 2020 should really re-evaluate.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:01 pm to AndrewD
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BS. Pure BS.
It is not. Tell me what's BS about it. The offense line has been horrendous since last season.
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Most of the fans gave up on the baseball team when we had a legit run at the CWS. Now we have people crying in week 2. Buck up.
First off, you don't know a thing about me and how dedicated I am to LSU so don't get on a high horse and tell me to do anything. I'm hardly 'crying' about anything. I'm pointing out that under O in the last season and a half, little has improved. We've had season tickets for over 20 years.
Don't misunderstand me voicing that as me hating O. I don't hate him at all.
We've celebrated every win and felt every loss. We weren't happy about any of the losses but when LSU competes to the best of their ability and you leave it on the field, I may not like the loss but I can live with it.
I haven't seen that this season or last season. That stems from coaching. Kids are out of position, getting knocked on their butts on offense by McNeese's defensive line, among other issues. That makes me look at the coach.
Call me soft or whatever if it makes you feel better. I couldn't care less.
This post was edited on 9/17/21 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:03 pm to SeanLSU
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I just don't get people freaking out over 2020. That was a season that really shouldn't have even been played
Shut the frick up. Had LSU went undefeated and won a national title, you'd be rubbing it in Bama's face every chance you got.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:11 pm to Beessnax
I agree that the "for cause" firing crowd is completely clueless. If we fire Ed before the end of the 2022 season, then we will pay him every dollar of $21 million. And if he must litigate to get it, then we will pay interest plus attorneys' fees.
On the merits, however, you simply cannot have two embarrassing seasons in a row at LSU. It doesn't matter what you've done in the past. "Embarrassing seasons" are not defined, but we know them when we see them. And we're close to two in a row here. Lose tomorrow and you're there. 6-6 and you're there. Likely even 7-5. Stop the bleeding, pay the tab, clean house, and move on. Don't apologize.
On the merits, however, you simply cannot have two embarrassing seasons in a row at LSU. It doesn't matter what you've done in the past. "Embarrassing seasons" are not defined, but we know them when we see them. And we're close to two in a row here. Lose tomorrow and you're there. 6-6 and you're there. Likely even 7-5. Stop the bleeding, pay the tab, clean house, and move on. Don't apologize.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:15 pm to Beessnax
He’ll be fired if he loses tomorrow
Or we riot
Or we riot
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:26 pm to ATLTiger24
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I agree that the "for cause" firing crowd is completely clueless. If we fire Ed before the end of the 2022 season, then we will pay him every dollar of $21 million.
This post was edited on 9/17/21 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:36 pm to Beessnax
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:50 pm to Beessnax
Losses to MSU and UK, he will be fired. There are plenty of other things he ADMITTED to or should have prevented that is stated in his contract for cause. WTF - did you see the NCAA shite they pulled with bowl game ban? That is grounds alone for termination. Then there’s the Cregg shite. They said he violated rules and are not paying him. Guess who’s contract specifically is linked to compliance of his assistants? You guessed it. Title IX is LONG LONG from settled and don’t think that security guard shite has disappeared. It has not. Let’s not forget his behavior on video with the fishing camp and all the bravado BS in Cali. He is gone.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 10:54 pm to Beessnax
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3. You look really bad as an organization if you fire your national championship winning coach less than 2 years after he put together the team that won it for you.
I think the nation will give us a pass.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:12 pm to Beessnax
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I know many will disagree with me, which is ok. Ed isn't getting fired before the end of the season based upon the following:
I agree that T9 probably won’t play much of a role in this, if any. But that’s all I agree with.
If O loses more than 4 games this year, he’s done and no rationalization about money or COVID or being 2 years removed from a title win will save him. Woodward handed him a lot of money in buyouts and new hires in the off-season and if things don’t turn soon, then the man will have hung himself with that rope. That house-cleaning WAS his 2nd chance after winning a title and if he blows it, that shite is on him. If he hadn’t won at least an SEC Title in 2019, he wouldn’t have survived last season. He’s spending the last of the lagniappe right now.
As for other coaches, none of what you say will matter to anyone who matters. This is big boy football and similar situations have happened before. Title winning coaches get fired and other people step in to take their place. Any competitive, alpha dog coach with a brain in his head can see all of the mistakes O has made in the last year a half and understand that he brought a lot of this situation on himself with poor hires and dumb decisions that hurt him in PR.
You want to know what a worthy perspective hire is going to look at harder than the unforgiving fanbase standards and pressure to win here? The fact that our last three head coaches have won titles, and two of them were pretty average. That trumps any of this other bullshite.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:15 pm to Beessnax
I agree with the OP. Midseason firings are classless IMO; i said the same thing with Les.
You fire a coach at the end of the season.
You fire a coach at the end of the season.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:19 pm to Beessnax
Ed will finish the season because the staff is so poor that no assistant is a capable interim head coach.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:20 pm to Tiger1988
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There are plenty of other things he ADMITTED to or should have prevented that is stated in his contract for cause.
The only smart path is a smaller negotiated buyout. Firing a coach for cause and trying to pay nothing like Tennessee did is the path to becoming the next Tennessee. You don’t go that route even if you can, because that is the only thing that will turn off top perspective hires.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:21 pm to Leonides
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Ed will finish the season because the staff is so poor that no assistant is a capable interim head coach.
Ensminger has enough experience to be able to handle interim duties, if it comes to that. I think it would have to get ugly before Woodward would do it, but that is a possibility.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:22 pm to misey94
Ed will finish the season because no one on the staff is capable of being an interim head coach.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:25 pm to Leonides
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Ed will finish the season because no one on the staff is capable of being an interim head coach.
I think we win tomorrow, but if we don’t, Ed doesn’t make it to fricking Monday. You can bet the house on that.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:28 pm to Beessnax
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You look really bad as an organization if you fire your national championship winning coach less than 2 years after he put together the team that won it for you. This will be a negative for any coach who has an established reputation as a winner. It really disgusts me to say this, but look at Jimbo at a&m. He had a rough start, lost some games that he shouldn't have, but he is making progress and the faggies support him. Why would anyone with sense want to take a job where you could be fired so quickly? The program needs to project stability and not panic.
Um, no you don’t. Everybody would understand after last season and this season if/when things get worse with losses.
LSU looks worse all the time when O continues to do questionable things and fires coaches year after year. Look at all the money he has cost LSU.
You want to compare Jimbo’s resume to O’s? Not sure anybody should be compared to O.
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Why would anyone with sense want to take a job where you could be fired so quickly?
Because they can win a national championship here and get paid? Also, an actually above avg coach can sustain success if avg to below avg coaches like Miles/O can win here.
It’s fine to wait on a rebuild with an established coach like Jimbo. The problem is O continues to make poor coaching hires and he has to always hit on both hires. It is wasteful to continue with this ridiculous format. Only HC that can sustain this type of format is Dabo and that is because of two things. He plays in a horrible conference and his elite DC doesn’t ever want to leave for some reason.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 11:29 pm to Tiger1988
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Let’s not forget his behavior on video with the fishing camp and all the bravado BS in Cali. He is gone.
Too many posters are focused on wins & losses only when it comes to Ed's future at LSU. There's more to being a head coach than wins & losses.
The most disturbing part of these present stories is understanding & knowing Ed's past. Anyone downplaying Ed's current antics don't have a clue as to just how much of a history he has of being a hot head. Either the pressure is getting to him causing him revert back to his old ways or it was still there to begin with & O just manipulated everyone to believe he was a changed man.
Here's a few examples from his past that should have every Tiger fan taking notice to his current behavior.
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But a dark side emerged while Orgeron worked in South Florida. He'd been in trouble before—a battery charge from a bar fight in Natchitoches in 1984—and he would find it again. In 1991, a Dade County woman was granted a restraining order against Orgeron after accusing him of repeated violence. (A permanent injunction was granted and then rescinded in 1992.) Then, in July 1992, Orgeron was arrested in Baton Rouge and charged with battery, failure to leave the premises and misrepresentation during booking. According to news accounts from the time, a drunk Orgeron head-butted the manager of a bar after Orgeron had been asked to leave. Years later, Orgeron would later tell the Orange County Register that he'd become angry after he wasn't allowed back in the bar to retrieve his credit card.
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Nine years ago, Ed Orgeron wanted to fight me. Three men and eight feet stood between us, and Orgeron, a former Division I defensive lineman who even today is considered the toughest coach in college football, wanted to close that distance in a hot second.
I was 24 years old, eight months into my first full-time job, wearing a Dillard’s sport coat two sizes too big and extending a business card at a man who was calling me a "motherfricker" and being escorted away in anger.
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The staff’s new athletic director for football external affairs, a former high school coach named Hugh Freeze, tried to calm Orgeron.
"Uh Coach, this is the reporter that …" Freeze started.
"frick THAT MOTHERfrickER."
"Coach, I’m …" were the only words I managed. Orgeron walked down a hallway and through a staff-only entrance to the football offices.
Freeze made one last attempt. Orgeron swung and faced me.
"frick! WE ARE NOT GONNA LET THIS PROGRAM BE SABOTAGED!"
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Years later, an Orgeron colleague from their University of Miami days told me that he once had to pick up "Bebe" (Orgeron's nickname) from police custody after a night out. He said he was told by law enforcement officials seasoned in evaluating violence that Orgeron's bar fight opponent looked dead.
"The cops thought Bebe had killed the other guy.
That was Bebe. He was wild."
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In 2005, Orgeron’s players absolutely hated him, and for good reason. Upon his hire in December 2004, Orgeron tested his new players’ physicality by challenging them to a fight.
The story took a life of its own, but the confirmed version is that O summoned his team late one evening in the winter, removed his shirt, and told "any motherfricking one of you that thinks he can" to fight him. To the chagrin of countless plaintiffs' attorneys, no one did.
"It was the strangest thing I’ve ever seen in my life," a former player told me. "I mean, we had plenty of guys on that team from some really bad places. Any other situation and some guy like that taking his shirt off and talking shite to those players, he would’ve been jumped or shot or both. I still can’t figure out if he knew that, that no one would try and fight their new head coach. He was such an a-hole."
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