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re: Under tGeneral, men's basketball was profitable. Under CMM, it's bankrupt.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:02 am to JimTiger72
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:02 am to JimTiger72
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That you started a thread with incorrect info to prove your false narrative
The info is directly from the LSU Athletic Department's balance sheet for each year. The information is accurate. Sorry you don't like the numbers.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:04 am to drizztiger
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I’m not saying it’s good. We’re wasting tons of potential not pursuing a more successful basketball program. MBB has huge money making potential. Most schools fund their entire athletic department from MBB.
Auburn brought in $19M in revenue last year. Now, they have been really good under Pearl for several years now which lays the foundation for that. But it goes to show you college basketball can be a big money earner. Even at a place that was never a "basketball school" before. Juxtapose that with LSU baseball which earned about $4M during it's 2023 championship season. That's the top program in the marketplace in terms of both interest and attendance.
LSU basketball and baseball aren't "competing" against one another. That is a terrible mindset to have. The LSU athletic department should try to reasonably do what they can to earn the big money in basketball that would be available while ALSO enjoying the windfall of being one of, if not the best, revenue generator in the baseball marketplace.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:17 am to Alt26
I was at LSU from '85 to '90. The three major sports were very profitable. There is no reason that can't happen today.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:28 am to GumboPot
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The info is directly from the LSU Athletic Department's balance sheet for each year. The information is accurate. Sorry you don't like the numbers.
The information is correct, but it is misleading.
Administration didn’t turn a 51 million dollar profit, I don’t care what the accountants say.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:31 am to GumboPot
[quote]I was at LSU from '85 to '90. The three major sports were very profitable. There is no reason that can't happen today.[/
Only MBB and football turn a profit now.
Only MBB and football turn a profit now.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:40 am to drizztiger
This is what we’ve been saying, it’ll cost us more to keep him. This narrative that we can’t afford to fire him is silly.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:44 am to GumboPot
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the decision to fire WW and jettison that beautiful and highly ranked recruiting class he had coming in for the current coaching staff was and is a debacle.
I'm in the camp of they were leveraged and really had no choice. But it was really a sad situation.
Whatever the case, we are here now and cannot undo that. I just hope the administration has some plan moving forward other than "let's wait and see what happens". They need a list of potential replacements (which I suspect SW always has for all the sports) and gauging interest with agents right now.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:47 am to Madking
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This narrative that we can’t afford to fire him is silly.
It has always been silly. The declining revenue makes it even sillier. And I am not an advocate for the quick firing of coaches but I do not like what looks to me like regression this season.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 12:18 pm to mdomingue
Agree completely, if we were playing a good brand of basketball and being fundamentally sound but just didn’t have any talent it would be fine to give him another year or so but there’s just nothing to build off of. We’ve had at least 5 top 100 recruits, among them a couple 5* and some productive veteran transfers every year he’s been here and are still a bottom dwelling team so while upgrading the talent even more might help a little he still won’t win consistently enough. Just look at coach Cal for Arky, they have a blue chip roster but are underachieving because they’re poorly coached.
This post was edited on 2/3/25 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 2/3/25 at 12:33 pm to Madking
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Agree completely, if we were playing a good brand of basketball and being fundamentally sound but just didn’t have any talent it would be fine to give him another year or so but there’s just nothing to build off of. We’ve had at least 5 top 100 recruits, among them a couple 5* and some productive veteran transfers every year he’s been here and are still a bottom dwelling team so while upgrading the talent even more might help a little but he still won’t win consistently enough.
Yeah, and I was really pulling for him. He upgraded the talent this year, I know it doesn't often look like it, but he did. The problem is the rest of the conference upgraded their talent even more. If the passing and subsequent turnovers were not so bad, the team would have a few more wins, but it is that bad.
A lot of people complain because they say he doesn't run any plays. I have heard people who either coach or follow basketball closely say that McMahon's type of offense is not that uncommon and it does not rely on set plays. Instead, it relies on proper spacing and ball movement to open up lanes and shot opportunities for shooters. Unfortunately, that requires on good passing and players moving about properly without the ball, neither of which seems to happen. Poor passes, lazy passes, players bunched together, it can drive you crazy to watch.
Ok, rant over, I'll go back to sunshine pumping soon
Posted on 2/3/25 at 12:45 pm to mdomingue
Yep, early on I said that I was very hopeful because of the athleticism, length and depth of this team but that we were still showing signs of the sane problems that have plagued his teams at LSU. 3 teams, different makeups, different styles but sane problems. Thats on coach. And yes, he does run an offense but it’s a little antiquated, it’s a one or 2 action offense so we have to waste a lot of time resetting if the first action doesn’t work and again 3 cycles of players but we’re still terrible on reading the pick and roll as well as our timing on the ball screens.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 12:53 pm to GumboPot
is it valid to compare when there is a massive new expense of NIL involved?
Posted on 2/3/25 at 12:57 pm to jamarr
Hard to judge NIL since CBB hardly ever makes NIL public the way football does
Posted on 2/3/25 at 1:19 pm to drizztiger
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Yeah that’s not including TV and SEC revenue. There is no way MBB only brought in 2.5mm and baseball brought in 4mm. That has to be just ticket and concession revenue
Doesn't matter
Point is, it's an apples to apples comparison. That portion of revenue has tanked
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:12 pm to drizztiger
Women's hoops is a joke for the most part.
The Cailtlyn Clark thing was a once in a quarter to half a century phenomenon.
The Cailtlyn Clark thing was a once in a quarter to half a century phenomenon.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:41 pm to Madking
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This is what we’ve been saying, it’ll cost us more to keep him. This narrative that we can’t afford to fire him is silly.
Someone needs to convince Woodward and the board.
Supposedly Woodward didn't even give the call to fire will wade.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:11 pm to Bottom9
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McMahon is paid about $2.9 million a year.
Wade was paid about $2.5 million a year.
have you not noticed the increase in salaries over the last few years? Not the same when Wade was here. Also, I'd assume that LSU is at the bottom.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:16 pm to doubleb
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quote:LSU’s profits The LSU Tigers’ athletic department profited $1,365,981 during FY2023. In comparison, it raked in $6.5 million in profits during FY2022. Overall, in FY2023, the football team at LSU made $54.1 million in profits and the men’s basketball team profited $1.3 million. However – baseball, gymnastics and women’s basketball didn’t turn a profit; baseball lost $66K, gymnastics lost $2.4 million and women’s basketball lost a staggering $7.8 million.
This is spot on and I’ve posted it a dozen times that WBB lost 7MM. Yet nobody is bitching.
It is a Title 9 issue for all Women’s sports and then traditional teams lost as well.
It is time to take a serious look at the total number of teams required to meet Title 9 and purge the rest on the men’s side as much as it pains me to say this.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:24 pm to Tiger1988
tGeneeal losing as 17pt favorites at home…
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