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Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:16 pm to tom
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:16 pm to tom
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Les understood that you can't make decisions based on what the mob thinks you should do. That's how Joe Alleva hired Ed Orgeron and put the final nail in LSU football's coffin.
True. But the opposite mentality is problematic as well. The mob is right sometimes and you can't run your team as if you're trying to avoid an idea that may coincide with what the layman can see.
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Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:21 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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That's the equivalent of asking why a remedial student didn't change his approach to studying, or test-taking. Miles had no acumen for tactics...
He was a recruiter and a motivator.
PROOF THAT YOU'RE WRONG
I bleed purple and gold, but I cannot let that affect the optics of the story arc with Les Miles. The vast majority in here let their passion affect their vantage point and fringe on becoming myopic.
Les Miles was an elite recruiter, motivator, and a helluva coach. WHEN HE WAS LOOSE. He had a gamblers mentality for the beginning stretch of his tenure. The Florida game in '07, he rolled the dice 5 times on 4th down, and went on to the winners table.
Fake special teams plays, fourth down gambles, trick plays.
That said, he certainly had his flaws, but in the above link, he outcoached the great Nick Saban. I'm sorry but the narrative doesnt match up. Miles isnt some bumbling idiot who lucked into a national championship, 3 wins over the GOAT college coach Nick Saban, and record setting win numbers as LSU's football coach.
Miles lost his edge, changed, and the game passed him up. I know that narrative isnt simple; psychologically the general masses are much more prone to believe a simplistic repetitive lie rather than a complex truth.
I call bullshite. You'll believe what you want, and whatever helps you to make sense of the last 12 years or so.
We had an elite coach. Nick Saban and other factors led to his ultimate demise, but when Les was here for some period, the show was magic.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:25 pm to Goldrush25
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True. But the opposite mentality is problematic as well. The mob is right sometimes and you can't run your team as if you're trying to avoid an idea that may coincide with what the layman can see.
Same thing happened at the end of the 2002 season with the Saints. Arron Brooks was hurt and everyone knew it. The fans were screaming for Jake Delhomme who was a more than capable QB to start. The Saints only needed 1 win in the last 3 games to get in the playoffs. shite for brains Haslett absolutely wouldn't do the smart thing because that is what the fans were calling for. He had to show that he was the boss no matter what.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:38 pm to Lacour
Bc he knew he had no pass D.. and no qb.. he had great RB's and wanted to use his best players. He would have finished with the same record as CEO.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:42 pm to Lacour
Hardheadedness. Failure to realize that you have to change with the times. Same thing happened with Charley Mac. His offence was a decade behind the times. Same thing happened with Jim Mora when he stuck with Carl Smith year after year.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:59 pm to GeauxWolfpack
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He saw the game the way her saw it. Run first, limited mistake. Don't take changes, stay in game.
I feel like my watching of LSU football has caused me to adapt the same philosophy in my Madden coaching
My exact philosophy in all of my online leagues is to run it, don't turn the ball over, stay close.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:05 pm to therick711
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Really? People say that, but even with Mett in 2013 we threw the ball 38% of the time.
Nit picking a little, it was actually 40 %
Where I got my data
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When he had decent QB play, like Flynn, Jamarcus or Mett, he threw the ball.
Really?
Well, kind of, but OC may have played a role as well. Here are some number to digest, don't know if they really mean anything. Years in bold, LSU had a higher percentage (or about 1% less in 2006) of passing plays than the team that won the championship.
2005 - 43% (NC texas -37%), OC Fisher
2006 - 46% (NC Florida - 47%) OC Fisher
2007 - 44% (NC LSU
) OC Crowton 2008 - 46% (NC Florida - 39%) OC Crowton
2009 - 46% (NC Alabama- 39%) OC Crowton
2010 - 38% (NC Auburn - 32%) OC Crowton
2011 - 33% (NC Alabama - 42%) OC Studrawa
2012 - 42% (NC Alabama - 39%) OC Studrawa
2013 - 40% (NC Florida State - 48%) OC Cameron
2014 - 33% (NC Ohio State - 40%) OC Cameron
2015 - 37% (NC Alabama - 43%) OC Cameron
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:44 pm to BobLeeDagger
Alleva should have given him an ultimatum before they fired him.
how many ultimatums would that have been?
besides, the grass was eating away at his brain.
how many ultimatums would that have been?
besides, the grass was eating away at his brain.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:53 pm to tom
quote:Miles owning the top 4 scoring offenses in LSU FB history says you're wrong.
Unfortunately Les did not understand how to run an offense.
He just played to strengths and minimized exposing weakness when it came to R/P ratio.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we basically eliminated throwing in the middle of the field, even with Mett in 2013
we threw some deep middle but i get your point. short and intermediate were slim and none. 2012 was the year we seemed to use only 4 passing plays 60% of the time. maybe more. those were go/streaks, slants, comebacks and curls. oh and along with miles run between the tackles. Miles never used to whole field passing OR running and never attacked weaknesses.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:12 pm to airfernando
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The OLines under-performed year after year, and it's understandable now why they did. It was inexplicable to us fans at that time. We just didn't know how much they were expending during the weak.
yeah i am sure his predictable down and distance offense running against 9 man fronts had nothing to do with it!
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:15 pm to stho381
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The offense was great that year
this is another myth i see perpetuated here just because we had a 3k passer, 1k rusher and 2 1k receivers. those are individual stats. go look up where our offense ranked in the SEC and nation that year and get back to me.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:17 pm to Cadello
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Just don't like seeing him criticized anymore. He's gone.
good then carry your arse out also and stop posting. mmmkay?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:19 pm to Tiger Ugly
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This, you could see the beginnings of this in the SECC game vs. Georgia. Our offense was going nothing and was terribly predictable and ineffective. We were stuffed on several "here it comes" 3rd and short and fourth and short plays.
Then a couple of special teams plays by Honey Badger turned the tide and the Dawgs quit.
The result looked great, but if you looked closer there were huge red flags.
bingo, 7 straight 3 and outs in ATLANTA
St and D won that game
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:36 pm to dukke v
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So Auburn cheated to win last year????
Rewatch the final drive and pay attention to the clock. There were at least two plays where the clock should have stopped, but it kept running all the way to the next play. We're talking 25-35 seconds.
Florida pulled the same stunt against Tennessee in 2015.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:54 pm to Number 31
So LSU had a TON f chances to score.... Auurn knew what was coming the whole game.... LSU'S defense did enough to win the game.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 4:49 pm to dukke v
THREAD LOCKED
Posted on 7/16/17 at 8:17 pm to 1999
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Why didn't Les change?
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Les would still be the coach today if he had taken that advice.
Les spent more time interviewing with other teams than he did investigating offensive changes.
Once he got a now long term contract he gave up because he was in control of the finances.
Les was a money whore all along.
They should never have rewritten Les's contract.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 8:29 pm to Lacour
I truly believe Les thought he was an offensive guru/genius, and but he realized he was deficient on defensive strategy/coach. In other words, on offense he was a Legend in his own mind.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 12:42 am to Fat Bastard
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The offense was great that year
this is another myth i see perpetuated here just because we had a 3k passer, 1k rusher and 2 1k receivers. those are individual stats. go look up where our offense ranked in the SEC and nation that year and get back to me.
Comparing LSU's offensive stats against the nation is an irrelevant comparison since we don't get the luxury of playing in a conference where there are terrible defenses. I am too lazy to find the rankings for that year in the SEC, but it looks like our offense averaged 431yds/gm and 32pts/gm in SEC play. This is a great offense. It's not record-setting, but considering this was a year when we had UGA and Florida out of the SECe, it's as solid as you can get.
If you feel the need to look up the rankings to defend your critique, be my guest, but the point of the original post was that even when the offense was good and we threw the ball much more, the fanbase was still unhappy.
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