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Nobody is saying we should fire the coach. Unless we lose to Mississippi State. Then a lot of people will say we should fire the coach.

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he should be judged on his own record

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Compare his record to every other sec coach since he’s been here

TIA

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he should be judged on his own record

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Compare his record to every other sec coach since he’s been here

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ok, but comparisons are relative, based on the talent he's bringing in.

The question I've asked many times on this board, and never received an answer, is whether Saban would be judged a success at Alabama if he were to go 9-3 for the next 5 years. It's certainly still much better than his predecessor, and it would likely be better than all other SEC coaches over that 5 year period.

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is whether Saban would be judged a success at Alabama if he were to go 9-3 for the next 5 years.

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Never received an answer because it’s a retarded question considering he’s already been there 15 years

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You are trying to equate pts per game to meaning you have a good half court offense.

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I never said such a thing, but the whole goal in basketball is to score points, it doesnt matter where they come from.

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That works great against lesser teams, not so much against better, athletic teams.

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Yeah, definitely didnt work this year against Tennessee and Kentucky when we were healthy or the last 3 years when were the program with the most wins in the sec.

You are a clown show and constantly proven wrong.

This is the first season since he's been here LSU has had a poor offense. If you want to argue against Wade's decision to stick with the ball screen heavy approach with THIS group of guards, that's reasonable. But to say they "have had" poor half court offensive teams under Wade is just flat our wrong. That's what has carried the past three LSU teams where defense was mostly optional.

IMO, if you want to argue about Wade's shortcomings, the argument may be that he has been reluctant to adjust his approach, on offense and defense, to fit his personnel. LSU is not really implementing a different overall approach on defense this year that they did not try in the past. The team just has the personnel better suited to execute it AND they have bought in. Offensively, they aren't really doing much differently from what they have done the past 3-4 seasons. The difference is they just haven't had the level of guard play they had the last 3-4 years who could execute at an elite level. When you have Waters, Smart and Thomas who could just create a shot anytime they wanted it is much easier to execute a ball screen offense. When you have a PG like Gaines, who struggles scoring outside of dunks/layups, the offense is easier to defend.

Expressing frustration during a losing streak which included some very mediocre at best competition does not equal wanting him fired. For two weeks LSU played poorly with what seemed to be without any changes or much emotion. For the life of me, I don't see how the Wade Worshippers can't understand that.

I hope he stays a long time.

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Never received an answer because it’s a retarded question considering he’s already been there 15 years

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that's a dodge, you're still not answering the question...

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Are you serious? If he went 3-9 the next five years he'd be a "success" at Alabama. Now, 3-9 could nibble away some at being the "GOAT" but 9-3 wouldn't change a thing in terms of "success."

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missing my point, which was merely saying that a coach is doing better than his predecessor isn't enough.

My hypothetical about Saban was about CURRENT success, not a historical question.

So if Saban went 9-3 every year for the next 5 years, with the talent he's bringing in, would those years be judged a success?

Of course the answer is no, even though it's still better than Mike Shula.

By the way, the entire point of this exercise was in response to the posters here who constantly say Wade is better than his Jones and Johnson, so it's all good.

I'm saying that works for a couple years, and then it should fade away and we should judge Wade based solely on himself, with no comparison to past poor coaches. That's it.

Now do the last 4 years too