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re: Today is the 109th anniversary of the Miracle of the Sun...
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:27 pm to DownSouthJukin
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:27 pm to DownSouthJukin
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The number has been reported as low as 50,000 and as high as 100,000. So now they all have to have to swear under oath as to what they saw? Every single one of them?
Good lord. If people are going to use the number to support the veracity of the event, yes.
Who are you people?
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:27 pm to DownSouthJukin
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Logic, and the evidence, in this case falls on the side of the supernatural.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:29 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I’ve noticed here and in the Noah’s Ark thread that your standard for documentation is pretty loose for things that verify your religious beliefs.
If that’s what you took from the Noah’s Ark thread, then your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. I say that because:
(1) I never stated I believed whatever they’d found was in fact Noah’s Ark, in fact I specifically said I don’t know if it is real or not, don’t know what it is, but I’m curious to learn more.
(2) also, I specifically said more than once in the thread that even if was proven to be real, or a hoax, it would not influence my spiritual beliefs one way or the other.
But I don’t really believe your reading comprehension is lacking. I believe you read where I stated the two points above repeatedly in that thread.
So I have to ask why would you lie and falsely accuse me of believing whatever they found in Turkey to be Noah’s Ark and that verifies my religion when I repeatedly said the exact opposite of what you accuse me of now?
Do you make a habit of lying?
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:32 pm to Darth_Vader
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So I have to ask why would you lie and falsely accuse me of believing whatever they found in Turkey to be Noah’s Ark and that verifies my religion when I repeatedly said the exact opposite of what you accuse me of now? Do you make a habit of lying?
Oh good lord. I didn’t accuse you of anything other than having loose standards.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:32 pm to Mo Jeaux
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You’re really tied up on this number. Do we actually have 70,000 documented instances of people (verified to have been there) who swear to what they saw? I seriously doubt that we do.
The number is inconsequential. It doesn’t matter if it was 70,000, 7,000, 700, or 70. It’s still a lot of people to get to see the same unexplainable thing at the same time.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:33 pm to Mo Jeaux
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We’re talking about the sun dancing in the sky, my friend.
It's a witnessed event. One that you dispute. You say it didn't happen. The vast majority of the people who witnessed it say that it did. The burden is on you to disprove it at this point. So disprove it.
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And now we’re getting a range of numbers. That’s interesting, because I thought it was 70,000 verified believers.
You were asking about numbers, I gave you the range that is given widely. The consensus appears to be, if you would research it, but you won't, is 50,000-70,000.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:36 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Oh good lord. I didn’t accuse you of anything other than having loose standards.
Exactly. Your accusation of “loose standards” is based on a claim that I believe they’ve found Noah’s Ark when I never stated anything close to that. And now you’re using that accusation to try dismiss my questions about how thousands of people allegedly saw something that is, or should be, physically impossible.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:37 pm to DownSouthJukin
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
A bunch of believers who show up and stare at the sun will see something and given the year, most of them will attribute it to the supernatural. How many people actually claim to have seen something vs how many did the media exaggerate? How many stories are reported as fact by multiple outlets but it is only from one dubious source? Information cascade/circular reporting
A bunch of believers who show up and stare at the sun will see something and given the year, most of them will attribute it to the supernatural. How many people actually claim to have seen something vs how many did the media exaggerate? How many stories are reported as fact by multiple outlets but it is only from one dubious source? Information cascade/circular reporting
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:38 pm to RollTide1987
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On October 13, an estimated 70,000 people gathered at the Cova da Iria
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Shortly after noon, according to numerous eyewitness accounts
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some reported that it zigzagged wildly
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Although accounts varied and not everyone reported seeing the same phenomena,
And now, the comments of the religious:
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It happened and over 70,000 people witnessed it
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What I’m interested in is your thoughts on the fact an estimated 70,000 people allegedly witnessed this event,
What is wrong with you people?
This post was edited on 10/13/26 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:38 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Good lord. If people are going to use the number to support the veracity of the event, yes.
Who are you people?
If 70,000 people swore to it, you would still not believe. You would find a reason not to believe.
This isn't about proving or disproving something that actually happened to you. If it was, you would bring facts. You can bring no facts, so you bring arguments and theories with no basis in fact.
You said it was mass hysteria, mass hallucination, fear of missing out, and/or outright lying. Bring proof of this. Over the course of 109 years there must have been some studies done to prove one of these occurred.
This post was edited on 10/13/26 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:38 pm to mudshuvl05
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The message given to the three children at Fatima in July 1917 was a three-part secret. Sister Lucia later revealed the first two parts in her memoirs, while the third remained secret for many years (23:17-24:15).
The First Part: This was a frightening vision of Hell (24:20-25:25). The children described seeing a "great sea of fire" beneath the earth, where demons and souls appeared like burning embers, accompanied by shrieks and groans of despair.
The Second Part: This focused on saving souls and the future of the world (25:43-27:28).
It spoke of establishing devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary (25:56).
It predicted the end of World War I but warned that a worse war would break out during the pontificate of Pius XI if people did not stop offending God (26:09-26:18).
It included a prophecy of a "night illumined by an unknown light," which many later associated with an extraordinary display of the aurora borealis in 1938 (26:21-26:30, 29:27).
It requested the consecration of *Russia* to her Immaculate Heart to prevent the spread of its errors and bring about conversion and peace (26:41-27:25).
The Third Part: Sister Lucia did not reveal this part at the same time, as she felt she lacked permission from heaven (24:09-24:13, 28:26-28:45). Jimmy Akin notes that this final part was written down later and its eventual revelation had a different context than the first two (30:19-30:59, 44:22-44:53). Further discussion on the theories and details of the Third Secret is reserved for a future episode (3:00-3:06, 31:00-31:10).
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:38 pm to RollTide1987
Have you seen Ethan Muse on pints? Long video but lots of detail.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:39 pm to Darth_Vader
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The number is inconsequential. It doesn’t matter if it was 70,000, 7,000, 700, or 70. It’s still a lot of people to get to see the same unexplainable thing at the same time.
Ok. You’re right I guess. The Salem Witch trials involved around 8-10 people who testified against the accused witches. They all swore to what they testified and people were killed because of it.
I don’t believe in witches though. I think they lied or suffered from mass hysteria, or some combination of the foregoing.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:40 pm to Mo Jeaux
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They all swore to what they testified and people were killed because of it.
So sworn testimony does not matter. The swear can be disregarded as not having any consequence. It mattered to you before, but it does not matter now. (see below). Make up your mind. Quit moving the goalposts.
So we are back to 70,000 (or thereabouts) eye witnesses.
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The number has been reported as low as 50,000 and as high as 100,000. So now they all have to have to swear under oath as to what they saw? Every single one of them?
Good lord. If people are going to use the number to support the veracity of the event, yes.
Who are you people?
This post was edited on 10/13/26 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:41 pm to Missouri Waltz
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:41 pm to Ben Rumson
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Ben Rumson
All good points. Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:42 pm to DownSouthJukin
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So we are back to 70,000 (or thereabouts) eye witnesses.
We actually aren’t.
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So sworn testimony does not matter. The swear can be disregarded as not having any consequence. It mattered to you before, but it does not matter now. Make up your mind. Quit moving the goalposts.
What? Dude, I’m sorry that I don’t believe that your miracle happened.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:43 pm to Mo Jeaux
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What? Dude, I’m sorry that I don’t believe that your miracle happened.
And there it is. Nothing can convince you that it did.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:45 pm to DownSouthJukin
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And there it is. Nothing can convince you that it did.
There it is? I said as much on page 1. You’re an odd guy. Posted on 10/13/26 at 4:46 pm to cajunangelle
So if a group of 70,000 people gathered to witness an unusual event and the aberration was described as being seen by "some" people in the crowd.
I wouldn't even take that to mean a majority of the crowd. I would say it was a small minority of the crowd that saw anything.
We know for sure that whatever was seen, if anything, was an aberration.
Because if the sun had actually moved up and down in the sky as reported by "some", the physics that is required for the sun to do that would most certainly kill everyone on earth.
I wouldn't even take that to mean a majority of the crowd. I would say it was a small minority of the crowd that saw anything.
We know for sure that whatever was seen, if anything, was an aberration.
Because if the sun had actually moved up and down in the sky as reported by "some", the physics that is required for the sun to do that would most certainly kill everyone on earth.
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