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re: Three eligible receivers near JJ's "intentional grounding"
Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:01 pm to TN Bhoy
Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:01 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
that is what happens when you hold the ball too long
Have you looked at the coverage downfield?
that's a one read play, and a gamble play, if it ain't open on your initial read you throw it out of bounds...
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Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:01 pm to kadillak
Yeah and calling a 40 yard pass Lee's first pass after his INT against Bama was a great call too...
Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:02 pm to josh336
"Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion."
The 3 eligible players were blocking and not ready to receive a pass at all because their backs were all towards Jefferson.
This post was edited on 11/13/11 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:03 pm to JJ27
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Yeah and calling a 40 yard pass Lee's first pass after his INT against Bama was a great call too.
There have been some puzzling playcalls the past couple weeks thats for sure
Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:04 pm to mmcgrath
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How many receivers did you want on that play? Its not like JJ had time to run through his progressions.
Hey, the play call wasn't the greatest, but I don't know why JJ expected the receiver to get open given the coverage and I would rather he tries to get free of the sack or take the safety instead of just throwing the ball up for grabs. On the reply it is very very close to a lateral.
I mean, I get that it's an easy read for JJ. Your one guy is either open or he's not. If not, throw it away. However, it's too easy of a play to defend as well. I'd have preferred to run the ball again, even if it meant punting. If we just had to throw, I'd have preferred quick slants. That's just my opinion. I was wrong to put that solely on the coaches, it's also on JJ, but the coaches didn't put the players in the best position to succeed in that situation, IMO. I do think the coaches would have simply run the ball and relied on Wing to boot them out of the mess against a tougher team.
This post was edited on 11/13/11 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:15 pm to burke985
I see JJ staring down a single receiver and never once looked for other options to throw to.. Same old JJ.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:25 pm to JohnLSU
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I see JJ staring down a single receiver and never once looked for other options to throw to.. Same old JJ.
Not sure if serious. There was only one receiver on a route that has been well documented. Get on to him for not sailing it into the stands-thats legitimate-but to know him for locking in on the only receiver running a route?
Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:31 pm to Adam Banks
Peeps , The defender has his hands on him @2.5 seconds from the snap. Less time than it took you to read this. 
Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:35 pm to josh336
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I saw the coverage downfield. I was in the south endzone and had a great view. Randle had man to man with a safety over the top.
Should've thrown it away immediately.
There is something to be said for this. There was a time he may have thrown to Randell for a disaster...
Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:56 pm to AlwaysPutsSeatDown
He matured and took the safety
Posted on 11/14/11 at 12:05 am to Adam Banks
I like how #44 tries to keep the ball carrier up at the end of the "recovery," just a neat awareness there
Posted on 11/14/11 at 12:09 am to kadillak
That was exactly the pass play that needed to be called. Backed into your endzone you don't have time to make a bunch of reads. The pre snap read of the defense showed the receiver would be doubled covered. Jj should take his drop steps give randle a quick look then throw the ball out of bounds. JJ played a good game but that safety is on him not the play calling
This post was edited on 11/14/11 at 12:33 am
Posted on 11/14/11 at 12:13 am to CottonWasKing
This is true...
When JJ realized RR had double coverage on the presnap read, JJ should've gotten out of that play and into a better play. The fact that he didn't get out of the play raises the question,
did he NOT see the double coverage in the presnap read?
I hate to say it, but I don't see that JJ passing game has improved any from last year to this year.
quote:
The pre snap read of the defense showed the receiver would be doubled covered.
When JJ realized RR had double coverage on the presnap read, JJ should've gotten out of that play and into a better play. The fact that he didn't get out of the play raises the question,
did he NOT see the double coverage in the presnap read?
I hate to say it, but I don't see that JJ passing game has improved any from last year to this year.
This post was edited on 11/14/11 at 12:18 am
Posted on 11/14/11 at 12:21 am to CottonWasKing
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JJ played a good game but that safety is on him not the play calling
I agree with this. He played ok, given the competition but the safety is squarely on the staff. They should know JJ's strengths and weaknesses by now and while it was a good call, I don't know if it was a good call for JJ.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 12:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
If your senior quarterback can't make that read (and I don't think JJ is stupid, I could make that read I know he can) he doesn't need to be in the game. That would then be the coaches fault but I don't think that's the case JJ can makes that read he just screwed up.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 12:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I agree with this. He played ok, given the competition but the safety is squarely on the staff. They should know JJ's strengths and weaknesses by now and while it was a good call, I don't know if it was a good call for JJ.
Exactly. You can pretty much pull up any thread on this board concerning the 'QB controversy' and you'll see at least one poster mention how long it takes for JJ to throw the ball. The common fan can see this - we've seen this throughout his whole career - and I'm sure the coaches are well aware of that weakness. The coaches jobs are to put the players in the best position to succeed and pretty much coach around the flaws. That's a flaw of JJ and you shouldn't call that gamble of a play backed in your endzone. Maybe it's a well designed play by itself, but it's not a play designed best for Jefferson. That was pretty much my complaint.
But like I said, in a tougher game, I fully believe the coaches would have just run the ball three times and turned it over to Wing, just like we did against 'Bama. While this play against WKU was a gamble, it was a gamble that you could afford to take. Unfortunately the result was quite ugly. They'll probably adjust the playbook accordingly.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 12:36 am to kadillak
Yeah, competitive game and my guess is that call isn't made.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:54 am to kadillak
quote:Completely, totally, absolutely FALSE.
Coaches pretty much set JJ up to fail in that situation
They gave JJ a ONE READ play.
Either it's open or it isn't.
If it isn't, then THROW THE F*CKING BALL AWAY!
Could not have given him a more simplistic situation.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 1:58 am to Adam Banks
and that was against Western Kentucky High School
just wait until he has to face a real challenge against Arkansas. LSU will have two options if Jefferson starts that game -
1. Just run around every time and hope it works
2. Hope the defense can keep it close until the end so that Lee can come in and bail them out as usual.
just wait until he has to face a real challenge against Arkansas. LSU will have two options if Jefferson starts that game -
1. Just run around every time and hope it works
2. Hope the defense can keep it close until the end so that Lee can come in and bail them out as usual.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 2:04 am to Adam Banks
stevie wonder was at my house watching the game and he was screaming "INTENTIONAL GROUNDING".
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