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re: Thoughts on Max's Spring Game film
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:42 am to TigerLunatik
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:42 am to TigerLunatik
My god this purple tiger guy is a delusional queer
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:39 am to Madking
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Brennan was sacked 4 times per game facing better defenses than Max
UF/Ole Miss/TAMU are better than Missouri had its entire defense OUT on COVID/MSU/Vandy.
If 2020 taught us anything, when a significant number of players are out, it matters.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:13 am to Tiger1988
quote:Most of this has already been proven false in this thread.
UF/Ole Miss/TAMU are better than Missouri had its entire defense OUT on COVID/MSU/Vandy.
1. Missouri was only missing 5 players total on defense. 1 starter on DL, 2 second string DBs, and two reserve players.
2. MS State/Missouri had higher ranked defenses(52nd/66th)than UF/Ole Miss(83rd 126th)
3. Are we really going to blame Myles for the MSST loss when the defense gave up 623 passing yards and 5 TDs to a QB who turned out to be one of the worst in the SEC last year? He had 1 touchdown and 8 interceptions over his next 3 games, then he got benched for the rest of the season
Never, and I do mean never, before 2020 have LSU fans blamed losses on the offense when the defense was that terrible.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 3:05 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
quote:wrong. It was 7 players out including Tre Williams who played LSU while at Auburn.
1. Missouri was only missing 5 players total on defense. 1 starter on DL, 2 second string DBs, and two reserve players.
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2. MS State/Missouri had higher ranked defenses(52nd/66th)than UF/Ole Miss(83rd 126th)
Not where it matters scoring: LINK
UF was better than Mizzou and Vandy was slightly better than Ole Miss because of the LSU game impacted it by .6 ppg for their season average. LSU defense DOMINATED Vandy which helped the offense. But good try.
Why did you leave out TAMU? Johnson played and actually brought life to the team. O was stupid coaching that game. The defense played well enough to win. Mond was putrid.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 3:52 pm to charminultra
We only have one playmaker at WR (Boutte). Difficult situation for any QB. Max has some good qualities, but don't expect a Burrow-esque year from him. The offense is going to struggle a little bit, especially at first.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 4:11 pm to Tiger1988
quote:Can you provide a link for source? I linked the advocate at the top of page 4 who wrote an article on GameDay saying it was only 5. If you can show otherwise I'd like to see it.
wrong. It was 7 players out including Tre Williams who played LSU while at Auburn
quote:UF was one spot ahead of Mizzou in scoring defense, but behind them in total defense. But even measuring by scoring defense, they are very close to being equal. A difference of 1.5 ppg.
Not where it matters scoring: LINK
UF was better than Mizzou and Vandy was slightly better than Ole Miss because of the LSU game impacted it by .6 ppg for their season average. LSU defense DOMINATED Vandy which helped the offense. But good try.
Also, why purposely leave out Mississippi state in your comparison(the best defense out of State/UF/MO/Ole Miss/Vandy)? Why didn't you compare their defense to Ole Miss's, and instead compare Ole Miss to Vandy? Nobody in this thread has compared to Vanderbilt, nor talked about Vanderbilt because everyone knows how bad they are. Ole Miss had the worst defense in the conference, and gave up on average 10 more ppg than MSST.
quote:Because Johnson didn't start the game. He came in with 4 minutes left in the 3rd, posted a QBR under 40, and finally scored with less than a minute left. Besides his last drive(which started with less than 5 minutes left in the game), he led three other drives. Those were 6 plays for -4 yards, 5 plays for 9 yards, and 3 plays for 6 yards. So while his play was better than TJ's, I don't really think that qualified as "coming to life." All of that is why I didn't include it.
Why did you leave out TAMU? Johnson played and actually brought life to the team.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 5:40 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Can you provide a link for source? I linked the advocate at the top of page 4 who wrote an article on GameDay saying it was only 5. If you can show otherwise I'd like to see it.
First and foremost, I’m going by a guy that had a winning record leading a team by out scoring when it counted and not folding like a cheap suit. So let’s compar apples to apples. UF and Mizzou were both there in respective defensive rankings. Where was Mizzou ranked in the conference? Did Mizzou have a shite at the CFP like Florida in its LAST GAME KF THE FREAKING SEASON MORON? No they did not.
How about Vandy vs Ole Miss. The LSU DEFENSE was all on that game hence the 7 points allowed PLUS 2 Ints.
One guy HAD to put up points to win at the end of a game and did it versus one who didn’t.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:27 pm to Tiger1988
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First and foremost, I’m going by a guy that had a winning record leading a team by out scoring when it counted and not folding like a cheap suit. So let’s compar apples to apples. UF and Mizzou were both there in respective defensive rankings. Where was Mizzou ranked in the conference? Did Mizzou have a shite at the CFP like Florida in its LAST GAME KF THE FREAKING SEASON MORON? No they did not.
you forget that if Wilson doesnt toss the shoe we lost... We definitely took advantage of the situation to make a win. This is what I have downgraded Brennan for - no IT factor. But jesus dont think that we just had our way with UF.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:32 pm to GetmorewithLes
Tossed shoe wasn’t a guaranteed loss. Max played well to have LSU in position to win that game. He kept us in it all game. What was the spread going into that game?
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:41 pm to TXTiger81
quote:And Myles didn't have LSU in position to win against Mizzou? He drove LSU down the field to the goalline.
Tossed shoe wasn’t a guaranteed loss. Max played well to have LSU in position to win that game.
And unlike many others on here, I don't blame Myles for the OL's inability to get a one yard push against Mizzou on 3 different plays.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:44 pm to Tiger1988
That's a whole lot of typing to say you can't back up what you said.
Pretty solid deflection on all points.
You said you wanted to compare apples to apples, but then don't compare the best defense Myles played to the best defense Max played.
Pretty solid deflection on all points.
You said you wanted to compare apples to apples, but then don't compare the best defense Myles played to the best defense Max played.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:59 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
Myles absolutely had us in position to win that game. The Moo U loss was on the defense and our 0-11 on 3rd downs and the Mizzou loss was on the defense and the inability to score at the 1 yard line. Although the defense did force quite a few turnovers in that game too.
I wasn’t arguing Myles was the reason we lost those games, just defending Max in the final 2 games. He over performed.
Myles was expected to perform, Max wasn’t. Myles in his 3 games looked both bad and good. Made some great throws.
I’d feel a lot better about 2021 if Myles was healthy. But 2021 in my opinion is a set up year for 2022. Because of that, having Max get the experience will pay off next year.
I wasn’t arguing Myles was the reason we lost those games, just defending Max in the final 2 games. He over performed.
Myles was expected to perform, Max wasn’t. Myles in his 3 games looked both bad and good. Made some great throws.
I’d feel a lot better about 2021 if Myles was healthy. But 2021 in my opinion is a set up year for 2022. Because of that, having Max get the experience will pay off next year.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:06 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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You said you wanted to compare apples to apples, but then don't compare the best defense Myles played to the best defense Max played.
FWIW, It was just about a wash. UF was #74 and Mizzou was #85 in NCAA team defense in 2020.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:09 pm to TXTiger81
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I wasn’t arguing Myles was the reason we lost those games, just defending Max in the final 2 games. He over performed.
I gotcha. And agree with you. I misunderstood. So many people on here have blamed Myles for the MSST and Mizzou loss and I think it's unfair. Did he play amazing? No. But in both games he played well enough to win.
It's just crazy to me to see LSU fans of all people blaming the QB for losses when the defense performed as horribly as they did. Before 2019 that would never occur.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:14 pm to GetmorewithLes
quote:That's scoring defense, not total defense. But in any case, the best defense Myles faced wasn't Mizzou, it was MSST, who had the 58th ranked scoring defense.
FWIW, It was just about a wash. UF was #74 and Mizzou was #85 in NCAA team defense in 2020.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:14 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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And Myles didn't have LSU in position to win against Mizzou? He drove LSU down the field to the goalline.
He didn’t make the right read, run or whatever for 4 fricking plays dude from the 1 yd line. What don’t you get?
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:28 pm to Tiger1988
What part of the OL gave zero push don't you understand?
The first two plays were RB dives to TDP that went absolutely no where because there was zero push. The third play was a QB sneak that also went no where, because of no push. Then on fourth down, they call a QB roll out play for our non running QB who has a torn abdomen to execute.
Maybe it's just the way I look football, but when you need 1 yard and your OL can't get it, that's on them. Not anymore else. ESPECIALLY when that OL is LSU and that DL is Mizzou.
The first two plays were RB dives to TDP that went absolutely no where because there was zero push. The third play was a QB sneak that also went no where, because of no push. Then on fourth down, they call a QB roll out play for our non running QB who has a torn abdomen to execute.
Maybe it's just the way I look football, but when you need 1 yard and your OL can't get it, that's on them. Not anymore else. ESPECIALLY when that OL is LSU and that DL is Mizzou.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:30 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
I agree. Not sure how anybody could blame the early season losses on our offense. Offense wasn’t great, but 1100 yards and 11 TD’s through 3 games should be plenty (especially against State and Mizzou)
In my opinion reason for our losses:
State: Defense and bad 3rd down play calling
Mizzou: Defense and bad redzone play calling
Auburn: Injured QB, forced to start a Fr. and eventually our defense folded
A&M: Poor QB play
Bama: Just outmatched across the board
We had chances to win against Miss State. If that sack fumble would have not been overturned and we scored there, could be a W. Mizzou by all means should have been a W. Starting with the game being moved due to the Hurricane. Then just any reasonable playcall/push on 4 plays from the one!!!
A&M could have been an epic upset, of course the Boutte TD overturned, followed by the the awful pick six. Had Max started and played the way he did against Ole Piss or Florida, we could have pulled that out.
We were an epically poor defense and some bad bounces away from an 8-2 season last year. Of course you can say the ball bounced our way in some of our wins too.
Point is, the sky isn’t falling, as some of media and opposing fans want to say it is and LSU isn’t as bad as our 5-5 record last year. We’re probably not ready to complete for a playoff spot this year, but I feel like we’re going to come back on the scene strong this year and be primed to make a run next year.
In my opinion reason for our losses:
State: Defense and bad 3rd down play calling
Mizzou: Defense and bad redzone play calling
Auburn: Injured QB, forced to start a Fr. and eventually our defense folded
A&M: Poor QB play
Bama: Just outmatched across the board
We had chances to win against Miss State. If that sack fumble would have not been overturned and we scored there, could be a W. Mizzou by all means should have been a W. Starting with the game being moved due to the Hurricane. Then just any reasonable playcall/push on 4 plays from the one!!!
A&M could have been an epic upset, of course the Boutte TD overturned, followed by the the awful pick six. Had Max started and played the way he did against Ole Piss or Florida, we could have pulled that out.
We were an epically poor defense and some bad bounces away from an 8-2 season last year. Of course you can say the ball bounced our way in some of our wins too.
Point is, the sky isn’t falling, as some of media and opposing fans want to say it is and LSU isn’t as bad as our 5-5 record last year. We’re probably not ready to complete for a playoff spot this year, but I feel like we’re going to come back on the scene strong this year and be primed to make a run next year.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 7:11 am to blkssr
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Myles threw for over 1100 yards, 11 TDs and 3 interceptions in only 3 games.
Myles also had Gilbert and Marshall for targets. That has to be taken into account.
Also, didn't TDP and or Emory miss the last game or two when Max was playing?
Posted on 8/10/21 at 7:38 am to Cuz413
quote:They were both out the last game against Ole Miss.
Also, didn't TDP and or Emory miss the last game or two when Max was playing?
But that just goes to show you just how bad Ole Miss was on defense. LSU's 4th and 5th string RBs(a guy who has now transferred out and a walk on) combined for over 100yds.
Also against Florida LSU ran for 180 yds.
Compare that to Missouri where TDP, Curry, and Emery combined for 50yds.
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