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This NC or you are fired approach....
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 1/10/25 at 10:58 pm
Honestly this approach that if do not win a NC by your third year you should be fired is insane
Les won the NC in 2007 because he had a NFL roster literally...at a time there was no mega dynasty in the SEC.
Ed O caught lightning in a bottle in 2019.
Saban did it (year 4) because he was the GOAT.
There is no other like him as Bama will realize and some in LSU should have realized by now.
Also the landscape of college football has changed.
[1] We play in the toughest conference in a era when strength of schedule is not factored in. So weaker power 4 conference teams like SMU and Indiana have an easier path to the playoffs. Boise State is almost always going to be the best non power 4 team and will be guaranteed a spot.
Our path to the playoff is one of the toughest.
[2] It now takes money to recruit. Schools with alumni with deep pockets will always have a recruiting advantage. Our geographic advantage is moot and there are half a dozen programs like Texas, TAMU, Notre Dame, USC-W, Miami, Michigan, Ohio State will have more money and better rosters. So winning will need to done on X's and O's, not Jimmy's and Joe's
[3] The portal works to our advantage but leveraging it will need skilled back office maneuvering.
So let us sit back and enjoy each win like we used to rather than being miserable about not making the NC.
Les won the NC in 2007 because he had a NFL roster literally...at a time there was no mega dynasty in the SEC.
Ed O caught lightning in a bottle in 2019.
Saban did it (year 4) because he was the GOAT.
There is no other like him as Bama will realize and some in LSU should have realized by now.
Also the landscape of college football has changed.
[1] We play in the toughest conference in a era when strength of schedule is not factored in. So weaker power 4 conference teams like SMU and Indiana have an easier path to the playoffs. Boise State is almost always going to be the best non power 4 team and will be guaranteed a spot.
Our path to the playoff is one of the toughest.
[2] It now takes money to recruit. Schools with alumni with deep pockets will always have a recruiting advantage. Our geographic advantage is moot and there are half a dozen programs like Texas, TAMU, Notre Dame, USC-W, Miami, Michigan, Ohio State will have more money and better rosters. So winning will need to done on X's and O's, not Jimmy's and Joe's
[3] The portal works to our advantage but leveraging it will need skilled back office maneuvering.
So let us sit back and enjoy each win like we used to rather than being miserable about not making the NC.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 11:00 pm
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:02 pm to mike4lsu
Also 52 million in buyout can be used in NIL.
Florida has figured out with Napier this year and Auburn came to the same conclusion with Freeze.
I hope the delusional Bama fan never does, when the pay 70 million to Kalen DeBoer.
Florida has figured out with Napier this year and Auburn came to the same conclusion with Freeze.
I hope the delusional Bama fan never does, when the pay 70 million to Kalen DeBoer.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:04 pm to mike4lsu
Also Nick Saban figured out that he could not match his own success any more. So he retired.
There are more money in Texas and Texas A&M's coffers than there are churches in Alabama.
Bama cannot compete in NIL in this era of CFB.
There are more money in Texas and Texas A&M's coffers than there are churches in Alabama.
Bama cannot compete in NIL in this era of CFB.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:05 pm to mike4lsu
Why the heck do College Football Coaches have buyouts? I know of no other employee, even Fortune 500, that have $70 million buyouts. Not even NFL coaches. Just don't offer it. If they won't accept, find a coach that will accept it. That way if they suck, you can just move on.
But the buyout has to stop. Hire a coach that maybe isn't as proven that we can sign with 0 buyout. If they suck after 3 years, fire them. Move on to next no buyout coach. But it has to end.
But the buyout has to stop. Hire a coach that maybe isn't as proven that we can sign with 0 buyout. If they suck after 3 years, fire them. Move on to next no buyout coach. But it has to end.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 9:44 am
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:12 pm to mike4lsu
Not many people are saying that he needs to win a natty in year 3. The problem is that the team hasn't improved at all since his first year here.
Wins and losses are the bottom line, and Kelly hasn't improved shite after year one.
Don't want him fired yet, but being pissed that results haven't really happened yet after his first year seems like a rational take to me.
Wins and losses are the bottom line, and Kelly hasn't improved shite after year one.
Don't want him fired yet, but being pissed that results haven't really happened yet after his first year seems like a rational take to me.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:23 pm to Saunson69
quote:Ever heard of a guy named Jimmy Sexton? He and these other agents have the AD’s by the balls and aren’t letting go anytime soon. Woodward overpaying every coach he’s ever hired doesn’t help.
Why the hell do College Football Coaches have buyouts? I know of no other employee, even Fortune 500, that have $70 million buyouts. Not even NFL coaches.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:42 pm to mike4lsu
It’s really just the contract length. 10 years is such a long time. If it were lets say 5 years I think fans would feel less stress about the potential of being stuck with a coach for a decade
Like where things are year 4/5? Give an extension. Currently? Another half decade to go on the initial contract
Like where things are year 4/5? Give an extension. Currently? Another half decade to go on the initial contract
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:57 pm to mike4lsu
Dude, Alabama can absolute compete in the NIL era. What are you talking about? They have the #2 class. Do you think they’re paying them in grits?
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:24 am to El Jefe de Tu Mama
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Dude, Alabama can absolute compete in the NIL era. What are you talking about? They have the #2 class. Do you think they’re paying them in grits?
Alabama has money comparable to the billinoaires of Texas. Really! Then why is the God Almight coach running to congress to get NIL scrapped.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:36 am to mike4lsu
Nobody is saying he should be on the hotseat for not winning a NC. He should be on the hotseat because he’s arguably gotten worse each season.
2022: 9-3 winning the SEC-W with upsets over Bama and Ole Miss
2023: 9-3 despite having a Heisman QB
2024: 8-4 with some ugly losses and having a harder time than any LSU team ever should with the OOC schedule we played. Unranked by season’s end
2022: 9-3 winning the SEC-W with upsets over Bama and Ole Miss
2023: 9-3 despite having a Heisman QB
2024: 8-4 with some ugly losses and having a harder time than any LSU team ever should with the OOC schedule we played. Unranked by season’s end
Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:46 am to Tiger Prawn
Maybe I'm just too old, having followed LSU football since the 80s, but expecting your team to win the national championship every year - or three - is insane. That takes a once-in-a-generation talent at coach. And maybe not even that, anymore, given the way the system has been changing with NIL and the transfer portal.
In the last 50 years, only 21 teams have won a national championship. With few exceptions, they're the same blue bloods that have always been.
When I started following LSU football, we were absolutely not considered a blue blood. Maybe second tier. Today I don't think anyone believes we aren't.
So, my absolute requirement is that we remain a blue blood in the eyes of the world - that we don't turn into Nebraska.
To me, that doesn't mean we can't have a couple off years now and then, or that we can't have a run of bad luck. But it does mean we should be playoff contenders in November most of the time. We should never have back-to-back losing seasons. We should consistently have top 15 recruiting rankings (for whatever that's worth these days). We should be a destination for coaches, and a breeding ground for head coaches.
It *doesn't* mean we have to be in the National Championship game every couple of years.
I certainly hope we DO have (or get) that once-in-a-generation situation, and that we DO play for the NC every single year. I'm disappointed when we aren't. But as long as we're delivering a good team that we can be proud of, the coach should not be on the hot seat.
That all said, where I'm frustrated with Kelly is that he is not acknowledging issues and visibly addressing them. Everyone, every team will have issues. Kelly made some mistakes in hiring, and I think there are some issues with how the team is coached. I want to see (not hear) changes related to starting strong, having more toughness, being an elite defense, having an elite kicking game, having creative playcalling, having a strong run game, and having a level of individual execution and "want to" aligned with the talent level of these players.
But I don't agree we've regressed. I think we played above our heads in 2022, and had an amazing Heisman QB in 2023. And we had some key injuries this year -- how much did losing Dellinger affect us? The defense has improved (but still has a ways to go). We're getting good recruits, and I think we're finally starting to figure out transfers and NIL. We're moving in the right direction overall. As someone who went to every Curley Hallman game in Tiger Stadium, I almost can't believe how much melt there is over an 8-4 season.
So, the bottom line is: no, I don't think CBK should be fired next year for not winning a NC. But he should be on a very hot seat if the team doesn't make strong steps forward. And those steps go beyond talent level of the team at this point - coaching needs to take strong steps forward as well.
Wow, my first real rant.
In the last 50 years, only 21 teams have won a national championship. With few exceptions, they're the same blue bloods that have always been.
When I started following LSU football, we were absolutely not considered a blue blood. Maybe second tier. Today I don't think anyone believes we aren't.
So, my absolute requirement is that we remain a blue blood in the eyes of the world - that we don't turn into Nebraska.
To me, that doesn't mean we can't have a couple off years now and then, or that we can't have a run of bad luck. But it does mean we should be playoff contenders in November most of the time. We should never have back-to-back losing seasons. We should consistently have top 15 recruiting rankings (for whatever that's worth these days). We should be a destination for coaches, and a breeding ground for head coaches.
It *doesn't* mean we have to be in the National Championship game every couple of years.
I certainly hope we DO have (or get) that once-in-a-generation situation, and that we DO play for the NC every single year. I'm disappointed when we aren't. But as long as we're delivering a good team that we can be proud of, the coach should not be on the hot seat.
That all said, where I'm frustrated with Kelly is that he is not acknowledging issues and visibly addressing them. Everyone, every team will have issues. Kelly made some mistakes in hiring, and I think there are some issues with how the team is coached. I want to see (not hear) changes related to starting strong, having more toughness, being an elite defense, having an elite kicking game, having creative playcalling, having a strong run game, and having a level of individual execution and "want to" aligned with the talent level of these players.
But I don't agree we've regressed. I think we played above our heads in 2022, and had an amazing Heisman QB in 2023. And we had some key injuries this year -- how much did losing Dellinger affect us? The defense has improved (but still has a ways to go). We're getting good recruits, and I think we're finally starting to figure out transfers and NIL. We're moving in the right direction overall. As someone who went to every Curley Hallman game in Tiger Stadium, I almost can't believe how much melt there is over an 8-4 season.
So, the bottom line is: no, I don't think CBK should be fired next year for not winning a NC. But he should be on a very hot seat if the team doesn't make strong steps forward. And those steps go beyond talent level of the team at this point - coaching needs to take strong steps forward as well.
Wow, my first real rant.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:04 am to mike4lsu
This era of NIL has watered down the post season dramatically. The days where the SEC had 2 or 3 teams that could field a team of backups that could possibly be ranked are gone. You won’t see that kind of depth with this NIL and portal the way it is ever again.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:06 am to mike4lsu
In the last 2 years we’ve put 17 players into the NFL plus the guys who are about to be drafted in the next 2 drafts. Les Miles first 2 seasons we had 18.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 2:12 am
Posted on 1/11/25 at 3:11 am to mike4lsu
What about finishing ranked?
Posted on 1/11/25 at 4:22 am to mike4lsu
I agree with that…except that the SEC is clearly the second best conference. NIL has finally put the 1 in B1G.
That, and right, LSU has a weak alumni base. Massive but broke. I think this applies to most other teams in the SEC as well, like Alabama and Ole Miss.
That, and right, LSU has a weak alumni base. Massive but broke. I think this applies to most other teams in the SEC as well, like Alabama and Ole Miss.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 4:28 am
Posted on 1/11/25 at 5:11 am to mike4lsu
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Alabama has money comparable to the billinoaires of Texas. Really! Then why is the God Almight coach running to congress to get NIL scrapped.
nobody said they had Texas Oil Money. Let's play a little common sense game though. How do you think they have the #2 class this past year? Because they are Bama? Come on dude. You started the thread, and love the attention, but at least use a little common sense. Bama has money to compete in NIL, at least currently....simply check out their current class.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 5:38 am to ShadowTigerTX
Preach. They don’t get it. Class of 95 here. I feel you
Posted on 1/11/25 at 5:44 am to mike4lsu
Yes let’s settle in to being average and let’s just hope everyone has fun.
That sounds miserable, you know what is fun winning is fun.
That sounds miserable, you know what is fun winning is fun.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:07 am to Saunson69
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Why the hell do College Football Coaches have buyouts? I know of no other employee, even Fortune 500, that have $70 million buyouts.
It is fairly common to have severance package agreements in high-end executive contracts.
About 2001 Jack Welch walked away from GE with a 417 million severance package. He could have asked his price anywhere else he wanted to go, had he been so inclined, and gotten a similar contractual agreement.
Exxon Mobil’s Lee Raymond got a 321 million severance package in 2005. Gillette gave James Kitts a 165 million severance that same year.
So your first assumption is wrong.
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Not even NFL coaches.
Incorrect. They are on the hook for the contract unless they are fired for cause and losing is not considered adequate cause.
in the 2023 owners’ meeting in Dallas, the league informed its 32 teams that they collectively had spent $800 million during the prior five years on fired coaches and executives, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter.
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Just don't offer it. If they won't accept, find a coach that will accept it. That way if they suck, you can just move on.
So hire coaches who are willing to settle for less than what their contemporaries expect? I am sure low expectations is the mindset of a winning coach.
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But the buyout has to stop.
It won't
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Hire a coach that maybe isn't as proven that we can sign with 0 buyout.
So not a good coach.
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If they suck after 3 years, fire them. Move on to next no buyout coach.
So continually worse and worse coaches as you get a reputation for being cheap and impatient.
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But it has to end.
Why?
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:11 am to mike4lsu
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Ed O caught lightning in a bottle in 2019.
Wish people would quit saying this! The Cajun Cookie Monster still has to recruit. Coach, make critical decisions etc. He gave us the GOAT of college football, think about that.
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