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re: this criticism of chavis is absolutely absurd (long)
Posted on 10/30/13 at 11:57 am to el duderino III
Posted on 10/30/13 at 11:57 am to el duderino III
Think of it like this, if Chavis was our DC in 2007, Tebow would have marched down field on that last possession and scored. We would not have held him on their side of the field forcing a hail mary throw.
That is an unrealistic scenario obviously, but I think it's an outside the box way to apply what happens with Chavis' defenses to our recent history. We fricking bleed TDs against two minute offenses and have the entire time under Chief.
I will again copy and paste this list of pitiful defensive performances when teams score at will:
That is an unrealistic scenario obviously, but I think it's an outside the box way to apply what happens with Chavis' defenses to our recent history. We fricking bleed TDs against two minute offenses and have the entire time under Chief.
I will again copy and paste this list of pitiful defensive performances when teams score at will:
quote:
UNC 2010
bama 2010 - 1 minute TD drive
Ole Miss 2010
South Carolina 2012 - 1 minute TD drive
A&M 2012 - 1 minute TD drive
bama 2012 - two 1 minute TD drives, they won
Ole Miss 2012 - followed bama's gameplan
Clemson 2012 - followed bama's gameplan, they won
Georgia 2013 - ended each half with TDs, they won
Ole Miss 2013 - Mett was awful, but we couldn't stop em, they won
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Posted on 10/30/13 at 12:26 pm to El Eh Shu
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Ole Miss 2012 - followed bama's gameplan
Clemson 2012 - followed bama's gameplan
You keep saying this. I guess everybody should just follow bama's gameplan then. What is the evidence that they followed the same gameplan? What part of the gameplan? The part where they needed last minute TDs at the end of the half and the end of the game to beat us? Was that the Bama gameplan?
Posted on 10/30/13 at 12:34 pm to El Eh Shu
You could add PSU '09 to the list. Some may excuse this because of the field conditions but we were ahead (17-16) and just needed to stop PSU from a FG in slop and didn't get it done.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 1:06 pm to el duderino III
So what you are saying is that Chavis looks like a great coach when he has 7 or 8 potential NFL players but only so so when he has only 1 or 2? I could have told you that. Recruiting is 60% of the game and I don't see a lot of quality players when I look at our defense. Our pass defense cost us the Alabama game last year and it has been the major factor in our two losses this year. Doesn't mean that Chavis is a bad coach but maybe it means he has weaknesses like every one else and doesn't deserve the overwhelming praise he has gotten in the past.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 1:18 pm to Tom Bronco
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So what you are saying is that Chavis looks like a great coach when he has 7 or 8 potential NFL players but only so so when he has only 1 or 2?
This is ridiculous. Do you really, honestly think there are only 1 or 2 people on this defense that will be in the NFL?
Posted on 10/30/13 at 1:24 pm to el duderino III
Chavis is over rated in a big way. He is average. If he were special, he would not need a great DB coach like Cooper or a roster of NFL players to perform well in the SEC.
Name one season when he has done so...You can't. He now has an average roster, and his team is average at best.
He is set in his ways and/or oblivious to his weaknesses, and like most his age, is hard-headed and is not going to change.
If he proves me wrong, I will be thrilled, but only a homer expects such a thing from him.
Name one season when he has done so...You can't. He now has an average roster, and his team is average at best.
He is set in his ways and/or oblivious to his weaknesses, and like most his age, is hard-headed and is not going to change.
If he proves me wrong, I will be thrilled, but only a homer expects such a thing from him.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:05 pm to Silky Johnston
If we have more than 2 players on defense who will be in the NFL after this season then name them. Don't answer a statement with a question. Give me the players that contradict that statement.
There maybe some freshmen and others who will develop and be potential NFL players but not right now and not at the end of this year and I will bet you on that.
There maybe some freshmen and others who will develop and be potential NFL players but not right now and not at the end of this year and I will bet you on that.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 2:42 pm to Choupique19
"You can take your stats and shove em"
Thank you!!! I like this site and talking about LSU because it helps me not kill people when we play terrible. You dont need to look at stats to know if we played good or bad. Yes there are some things that stats can prove or disprove, but most times I go with the eye test. When you do use stats you need to know which ones to use. Under Chavis check out 4th quarter QBR or 2nd Half Total OFF! We are all LSU fans, but you dont need to be from LA to know that we have enough talent year in and year out to be a top 20 defense. In every game that we have lost since I can recall, It has been because of inept offense or timid deffense down the stretch! This is not just a this season kind of discussion, calling plays NOT TO LOSE on DEFFENSE and OFFENSE has been an issue for a long time now with Les and Chief. Something has to be said!!!! Florida( inept offense) Alabama (calling deffense not to lose down the stretch) Clemson ( lsu 9 first downs & clemson 32 and timid deffense in the fourth). Chief needs to be made accountable!!!
Thank you!!! I like this site and talking about LSU because it helps me not kill people when we play terrible. You dont need to look at stats to know if we played good or bad. Yes there are some things that stats can prove or disprove, but most times I go with the eye test. When you do use stats you need to know which ones to use. Under Chavis check out 4th quarter QBR or 2nd Half Total OFF! We are all LSU fans, but you dont need to be from LA to know that we have enough talent year in and year out to be a top 20 defense. In every game that we have lost since I can recall, It has been because of inept offense or timid deffense down the stretch! This is not just a this season kind of discussion, calling plays NOT TO LOSE on DEFFENSE and OFFENSE has been an issue for a long time now with Les and Chief. Something has to be said!!!! Florida( inept offense) Alabama (calling deffense not to lose down the stretch) Clemson ( lsu 9 first downs & clemson 32 and timid deffense in the fourth). Chief needs to be made accountable!!!
Posted on 10/30/13 at 3:06 pm to lbcampo
I think criticism of Chavis's 2 minute defense is absolutely warranted. As a previous poster has pointed out it has happened too many times to be considered an anomaly. The guy is a good coach and has done a good job but this is an aspect of coaching he is doing a pretty poor job of.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 3:37 pm to Tom Bronco
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If we have more than 2 players on defense who will be in the NFL after this season then name them.
Nice addition. There's what 2 or 3 Seniors getting solid playing time on defense? Of course there won't likely be more than 2 go after this season. Although the biggest obvious answer is not one of the Seniors. (Freak)
Posted on 10/30/13 at 4:32 pm to el duderino III
OP you're an idiot!! Against top 15 teams his defense sucks in 2 minute drills.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 4:56 pm to Tiger79
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OP you're an idiot!! Against top 15 teams his defense sucks in 2 minute drills
signed, Jamarcus Russell 2006
Posted on 10/30/13 at 5:42 pm to Football_Freak
quote:
Chavis is over rated in a big way. He is average. If he were special, he would not need a great DB coach like Cooper or a roster of NFL players to perform well in the SEC. Name one season when he has done so...You can't. He now has an average roster, and his team is average at best.
2008.
Slade was his DB coach, and there were just 3 NFL guys.
#3 overall, #1 SEC total defense.
By the way, if you don't want him anymore, let me know. I'll lead the charge to bring him back.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 5:44 pm to Football_Freak
To me, having followed him at TN and now at LSU..there is a switch that clicks in his head and in the last couple of minutes his plays are TO NOT LOSE THE GAME, instead of TO WIN..
this has lost us many games and lost TN many games as well.
he just seems to lose his nerve.
this has lost us many games and lost TN many games as well.
he just seems to lose his nerve.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 5:47 pm to rbdallas
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To me, having followed him at TN and now at LSU..there is a switch that clicks in his head and in the last couple of minutes his plays are TO NOT LOSE THE GAME, instead of TO WIN.. this has lost us many games and lost TN many games as well. he just seems to lose his nerve.
Or it could be that you are a fan and just remember the losses.
He's led NC quality defenses in '96, '97, '98, '99, '01, '05, '08, '11, and '12.
Saban is the only other coach with that strong of a resume.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 5:48 pm to Penrod
quote:mills is a beast, he just lacks elite speed. he got beat deep 2 or 3 times by that wr for UAB and at least once or twice vs georgia. He's still our best cover corner though.
Mills is a stud! Period!
I'll admit that his weakness is definitely against two minute offenses, as he plays not to lose. My post was mainly aimed at these delusional arse people wanting him fired. People have such selective memories. It's as if malveto never happened...
quote:case in point about selective memories. Chavis's D held the kingsbury/sumlins's offense, the best in the SEC, with the best player in the country, to twelve fricking points. The last td was in garbage time and on a drive only extended because of a pf. That was early in the season, when the players had everything to play for, instead of some well documented halfassing by certain defensive players later in the year as they had nothing to play for but the NFL draft.
Tx atm from last year says hello
quote:if you're going to blame the first three of those solely on the defense, you might as well just blame every fricking loss on the defense since the other team scored more than zero.
Bama 2012, Clemson 2012, Ole Miss 2013, UGA 2013. Defense gets a last drive stop and we win.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 5:58 pm to CountryVolFan
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Or it could be that you are a fan and just remember the losses.
no doubt, when a game has been hard fought and we should win it...and DO NOT, only because of our play calling in D...
YES, I remember those games.
...specially since it continues to happen.
we do not pay the money we pay coaches to get it almost right.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 6:02 pm to rbdallas
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...specially since it continues to happen. we do not pay the money we pay coaches to get it almost right.
Chavis has the same number of undefeated seasons as Saban. They both have another undefeated "regular" season.
So, I guess it "continues to happen" to Saban too?
Posted on 10/30/13 at 6:04 pm to CountryVolFan
it is not THE SEASONS as a whole..
it is the individual losses that should not have happened.
it is the individual losses that should not have happened.
Posted on 10/30/13 at 6:11 pm to rbdallas
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it is not THE SEASONS as a whole.. it is the individual losses that should not have happened.
You could say the same about ANY coordinator at ANY level. Saban shouldn't have lost to A&M, LSU twice, Carolina, etc. the 2001 Ravens didn't go undefeated, the 1985 Bears lost a game. Belicheck hasn't won a Superbowl in awhile. Peyton Manning has key INT's. Mariano Rivera blew a WS Game 7 and back to back games in the 04 ALCS.
Welcome to the real world where great competitors sometime face other great competitors.
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