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re: There’s no negative to not starting Skenes

Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:24 pm to
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:24 pm to
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Not starting Skenes is 100% risking tomorrow's game in the hopes of getting him for the Championships Series. That is precisely what "saving him" means. And whether it's a smart bet or a dumb bet, it's definitely a gamble.

This.

And the big question is, how effective would Skenes be on 5 days rest? Has he done it before after >100 pitches?

This isn't the slam dunk people seem to think it is.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
12725 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:25 pm to
quote:

Why do you want to limit Skenes innings?


I want to take a chance of not needing him tomorrow at all so we have him for game 1.

If you’re going to start him and make him unavailable for the champ series, then let the beginning of the game tomorrow play our first.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
12725 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:26 pm to
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Are you honestly claiming that you genuinely believe that situation will present zero increased risk of losing as compared to starting Skenes in the first place?


I have confidence in Skenes to shut it down and Aldo for our bats to score.
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4890 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:26 pm to
quote:

This is kinda BS. Skenes will be Skenes whether he starts or comes in after an inning or two.


Tell me you know nothing about pitching at the highest levels without telling me you know nothing about pitching at the highest levels

Skenes is a machine based on precision, fine tuning, routine, and rhythm. You don’t get dominance like that without structure and routine. Even on 5 days rest tomorrow his routine is still out of balance. He has to start
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
12725 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:29 pm to
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Skenes is a machine based on precision, fine tuning, routine, and rhythm. You don’t get dominance like that without structure and routine.


So his routine is already off, but starting will somehow make tbat better? It’s the World Series lol. Dude is going to be fine either way.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12513 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:29 pm to
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I’ll say what I said already. If Skenes pitches 5+ innings tomorrow, I think we win. Whether that’s 1-5, 2-6, 3-7, etc, we win.


Do you just not understand probabilities and risk? There is a real difference between being 60% likely to win a game and being 80% likely to win a game. So if you are confident we win if Skenes pitches 5 innings, but more confident that we win if he starts and pitches the whole game, then there is an actual negative to not starting him.

There is also a difference between not having any negative consequence and being a good idea. Lots of good ideas have negative consequences (especially potential ones) which happen to be outweighed by the good consequences. But it is extremely rare to find a proposition with "NO negatives". An increased risk of losing, even a slight or remote one, is still a negative consequence to not starting Skenes. You obviously seem to be claiming that you think it would be a good idea, and you could potentially be right (you aren't). But that still wouldn't mean that there are no negatives to not starting him. Because there clearly and obviously are.

Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23220 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:30 pm to
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I want to take a chance of not needing him tomorrow at all so we have him for game 1. If you’re going to start him and make him unavailable for the champ series, then let the beginning of the game tomorrow play our first.


So you’re cool not using him at all if we lose a game 2-1 then? You don’t pull a starting pitcher in the 3rd or 4th after giving up 2 runs usually. Our staff can play outstanding tomorrow and only give up a couple, but Skenes could be better. You throw your best in a game like this.
Posted by evangelfan
LA
Member since Apr 2008
1054 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:30 pm to
Skenes starts tomorrow and we get to final. If we take even 1 of 2 over the weekend, you can bet Skenes could be the deciding factor in the tie break on 4 days rest. Book it!
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
25959 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:32 pm to
I’m pissed I read two fricking pages of this dumb arse thread

Solid troll douche
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4890 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 11:37 pm to
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So his routine is already off, but starting will somehow make tbat better?


No silly it just won’t make it WORSE like bringing him in off the bench would. You do understand routine and mechanics both mental and physical and how they affect precision right?
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
14917 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:38 am to
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If we take even 1 of 2 over the weekend, you can bet Skenes could be the deciding factor in the tie break on 4 days rest. Book it!


This. Just have to win one against UF with Floyd/Ack/Hurd then Skenes can finish them game 3.
Posted by WAY2GOLSU
Stick Red
Member since Dec 2007
1353 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:57 am to
Skenes will solidify himself as the 1st overall pick if he comes out and dominates on 5 days rest. You give yourself the best chance of making it to the final with Skenes pitching. It's a win win and I dont even know why it's a question.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
8568 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:09 am to
You don't frick around here, you start your ace.
Posted by TexasTiger1185
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
13074 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:22 am to
If we don't start Skenes then we are hamstringing ourselves and making it harder to win a Championship. It makes zero sense not to pitch him if his arm is fresh on short rest. And if he is the athlete we know he is, then its ready and you work him hard for a week and a half long period at the end of the season.

I'll guarantee he wants to pitch tomorrow. Its the reason he chose LSU over other schools. It would be unfair to what is arguably the best pitcher in LSU history to not let him pitch when he is ready and its an elimination game.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
8568 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 2:44 am to
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If we don't start Skenes then we are hamstringing ourselves and making it harder to win a Championship. It makes zero sense not to pitch him if his arm is fresh on short rest. And if he is the athlete we know he is, then its ready and you work him hard for a week and a half long period at the end of the season.

I'll guarantee he wants to pitch tomorrow. Its the reason he chose LSU over other schools. It would be unfair to what is arguably the best pitcher in LSU history to not let him pitch when he is ready and its an elimination game.


Hence why I said you don't frick around and you start him.
Posted by Tblock
Oklahoma
Member since Jun 2021
1012 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 2:57 am to
He's got to start and be a machine tomorrow.

This sets up Florida to be the favorite but you can't win it if you're not in the championship.

I don't know if ack can be ready to come back by Sunday but hopefully you can piece together Hurd, Coleman, et all on a Sunday must win / win it all game.
Posted by GeauxldenGuy
Frierson
Member since Jan 2016
363 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 3:22 am to
That would be a monumental failure of a decision that would be remembered forever. If you lost and missed the title series with skenes on the bench it would be unforgivable. Please stop.
Posted by tigah paw
Gordo Al
Member since Jun 2015
1388 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 3:42 am to
You play to win the game.Skenes gives us a better chance against Wake.Really,as many pitchers we have used the last 3 games,it is stupid not use Skenes.
Posted by Sailin Tiger
Member since Jul 2014
1463 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 4:44 am to
No. In your situation the starter would have to be on too short a leash. When do you pull him? First walk? First run? 2 out 3 run homer after an otherwise decent pitching 1st inning but a couple guys got on base?

Putting skenes out there pits a lot of pressure on wake. If we go up early with skenes dealing on the mound I like the odds of them falling apart in desperation.

Well be fine for Florida and we only have to win 1 of the first 2 to get to skenes pitching in game 3. We have to win tonight to even have that chance.

Posted by RightWingTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2003
5346 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 4:51 am to
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If there’s a man on first and second with no outs in the first inning



So start someone else but as soon as that someone allows a couple hits or baserunners PULL HIM?

Im not a baseball “savant” or anything but even I can see what a terrible of idea that is.

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