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re: The worst thing the LSU Ath Dept has ever done...
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:51 pm to TN River Tiger
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:51 pm to TN River Tiger
This is not going to get rid of the tail-gate only crowd for most games. The only thing this will accomplish is spread the trash out between where those people are tail-gating and where they parked their cars. The only way to get rid of the trash is to pay security (off-duty police, etc.) to patrol the area and issue hefty* fines.
* - at least enough to cover payroll for the security.
* - at least enough to cover payroll for the security.
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Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:54 pm to DanglingFury
quote:The next logical step is to add in a "cheering fee", where you have to pay an extra $40 at the gate for a license to yell during the game. And then, of course, you'd have to pay the extra $20 fee to hear the band play (otherwise you have to be fitted with soundproof earmuffs, subject to a $100 fine if you take them off). And then there's the $40 walkways pass you need in order to travel the ramps, walkways and stairs to your seat and back.
The biggest thing that bothers me about it, they are charging the fans to do what has made LSU great for so many years
All of these would generate revenue, and without detailed, exhaustive, longitudinal studies on the overall economic impact of the parking fees on the long term revenues of LSU sports, these make every bit as much sense. And anyone who believes our Athletic Department (under TAF management) would have the foresight to engage in that kind of study before springing a new revenue stream on its customers simply hasn't been paying attention lately.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:56 pm to Poodlebrain
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Obviously, LSU has priced the parking spaces incorrectly. At $40 the demand is less than the supply. At $0, free parking, the demand exceeds the supply. The answer to maximizing revenue is somewhere in between. How much are you willing to pay?
Unfortunately, this is one of the best posts in the thread but economics isn't this country's strong suit.
Judging a parking lot for the NW ST as the capacity you will experience throughout the other 5 home games is ludicrous. Moreover, nothing says that full capacity results in the maximized gross revenue. The marginal revenue could actually turn negative as quantity increases (and price decreases).
Pay the extra $240 to park and have the campus look clean.
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:57 pm to King Joey
Well u kinda went overboard there. But I can see restroom wristbands being sold for campus buildings during the day.
I think that's the next step.
I think that's the next step.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:58 pm to TN River Tiger
Old people are cute sometimes. They just can't understand that some people don't have the same situation as them.
Some people come from out of town hoping to get a ticket around the stadium. I am one of them. Will I pay $40 to park and HOPE I am able to find a ticket? Nope. I'm a lifelong fan and very respectful of the campus. I am one type of fan that will be lost because being an LSU fan is just becoming too damn expensive.
Do you hate me because I don't have season tickets? Do you dislike the fact that I feel $40 to park for what may end up being a few hours (ifg I don't get a ticket) is too much? Does it piss you off that in the past if I couldn't find a ticket I would just tailgate and visit with friends that I don't get to see year-round except for during football season? Does that make me less of a fan?
Some people come from out of town hoping to get a ticket around the stadium. I am one of them. Will I pay $40 to park and HOPE I am able to find a ticket? Nope. I'm a lifelong fan and very respectful of the campus. I am one type of fan that will be lost because being an LSU fan is just becoming too damn expensive.
Do you hate me because I don't have season tickets? Do you dislike the fact that I feel $40 to park for what may end up being a few hours (ifg I don't get a ticket) is too much? Does it piss you off that in the past if I couldn't find a ticket I would just tailgate and visit with friends that I don't get to see year-round except for during football season? Does that make me less of a fan?
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:59 pm to TDTGodfather
Well I was trying to make it clear I was exaggerating. Unfortunately, it is a bit of a challenge to come up with ways to wring money out of fans that are obviously too absurd for our AD to actually attempt.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:00 pm to lynxcat
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Judging a parking lot for the NW ST as the capacity you will experience throughout the other 5 home games is ludicrous. Moreover, nothing says that full capacity results in the maximized gross revenue. The marginal revenue could actually turn negative as quantity increases (and price decreases).
Agreed. I still think that even for UF and Auburn the lots won't be full or even near full. ESPECIALLY if they stop allowing people in them 3.5 hours before kickoff.
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Pay the extra $240 to park and have the campus look clean.
Therein lies the issue. The Parade Ground looked no different following the game than it did for any other 7pm non-conference game. Why? Because the same mega groups that tailgated out there are still there not cleaning up their shite.
LSU just needs to be honest and not try and blame it on trash.
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:01 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
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Old people are cute sometimes. They just can't understand that some people don't have the same situation as them.
Some people come from out of town hoping to get a ticket around the stadium. I am one of them. Will I pay $40 to park and HOPE I am able to find a ticket? Nope. I'm a lifelong fan and very respectful of the campus. I am one type of fan that will be lost because being an LSU fan is just becoming too damn expensive.
Do you hate me because I don't have season tickets? Do you dislike the fact that I feel $40 to park for what may end up being a few hours (ifg I don't get a ticket) is too much? Does it piss you off that in the past if I couldn't find a ticket I would just tailgate and visit with friends that I don't get to see year-round except for during football season? Does that make me less of a fan?
No, it just means you won't come to as many games and someone else will take your spot when you decide you can't afford it.
Demand > Supply = LSU is in control. Until the opposite is true, the stands will be full and people will still be enjoying themselves on Saturday on campus at LSU.
Welcome to capitalism.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:03 pm to TDTGodfather
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But I can see restroom wristbands being sold for campus buildings during the day.
I think that's the next step.
The next step is pay-to-tailgate.
That's one of the most obvious ways LSU can make money without having any additional cost to them.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:03 pm to Golfer
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Agreed. I still think that even for UF and Auburn the lots won't be full or even near full. ESPECIALLY if they stop allowing people in them 3.5 hours before kickoff.
If this happens, then LSU will significantly cut the price in 2012 or change policies to spur demand in 2012.
I definitely imagine next year's rate or policy being tweaked based off this year's experience.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:04 pm to TN River Tiger
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had to leave home at 5-6:00am getting to BR around 9:00am to secure a decent spot. That should not be necessary!
What time should tailgaters start tailgating??
6 pm for a 7:00 game??
Would that work out ok for you?
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:05 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
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The next step is pay-to-tailgate.
That's one of the most obvious ways LSU can make money without having any additional cost to them.
Bama makes your "register" your tailgate on the quad for free. Then a "gameday official" walks around and marks the number associated with your registration and the location of your tailgate. I'd imagine this is to deter one from leaving their trash behind so they can be tracked.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:06 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
quote:
Old people are cute sometimes. They just can't understand that some people don't have the same situation as them.
Some people come from out of town hoping to get a ticket around the stadium. I am one of them. Will I pay $40 to park and HOPE I am able to find a ticket? Nope. I'm a lifelong fan and very respectful of the campus. I am one type of fan that will be lost because being an LSU fan is just becoming too damn expensive.
Do you hate me because I don't have season tickets? Do you dislike the fact that I feel $40 to park for what may end up being a few hours (ifg I don't get a ticket) is too much? Does it piss you off that in the past if I couldn't find a ticket I would just tailgate and visit with friends that I don't get to see year-round except for during football season? Does that make me less of a fan?
So you're willing to drive from out of town without a ticket, but you aren't willing to park in one of the free lots off of Gourrier or along River Road? Or even park at BR Beach and walk a little bit to get to campus? That makes no sense.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:06 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
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The next step is pay-to-tailgate.
That's one of the most obvious ways LSU can make money without having any additional cost to them.
If LSU charges too much, then the school will not maximize revenues. If a large enough demand exists for a pay-to-tailgate system to be implemented without deterring demand, then LSU should try to raise those revenues. It is what any decent business would do.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:07 pm to lynxcat
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No, it just means you won't come to as many games and someone else will take your spot when you decide you can't afford it.
Keep believing that. The fact that you complain economics isn't this countries strong suit and then fail to recognize that a higher price point on the games will keep out some individuals without them being replaced is laughable. The fall back response to these complaints is always "Someone will take your spot". It's funny cause apparently there was no one to take the spot of all of the people that didn't show up Saturday.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:07 pm to lynxcat
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It is what any decent business would do.
The problem is that the customers are more than just customers. That's where the economic model ends up skewing the return/results.
Alumni, fans, etc. are more invested in LSU than just one product.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:10 pm to junkfunky
In the end this will not improve services on campus. It will not be spent to improve facilities. It will maintain th status quo so the university can spend money elsewhere Tailgaters that left will come back or be replaced by others. I got to campus at 5:30 for NW so I could help my buddy start cooking breakfast, good luck getting a closer free spot than me. My wife and kids will park downtown and take the bus in. LSU did not think through the logistics as well as they might have and could make more money with less agrivation if they wanted to. I would pay to park if I got a reserved spot on the north side or got points towards my tickets. As it is the only people this impacts are those who want to tailgate late and don't want to pay. If you have the 40 show up as late as you want there will probably be a spit for you.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:11 pm to lynxcat
i arrive at 5am tailgate in a free area all day with a good amount of people [pick up my trash] then LEAVE at kickoff to go home.
That's how i roll.
That's how i roll.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:11 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
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Keep believing that. The fact that you complain economics isn't this countries strong suit and then fail to recognize that a higher price point on the games will keep out some individuals without them being replaced is laughable.
The fall back response to these complaints is always "Someone will take your spot". It's funny cause apparently there was no one to take the spot of all of the people that didn't show up Saturday.
Of course demand shrinks as price rises but your demand curve does not represent the macroeconomic demand for the product.
Using NWST as your data point is ignorant.
Your demand curve does not constitute the demand curve of the LSU fan base -- just because something is too expensive for you does not mean that it will be for everyone, or even enough people to maximize reveneue. Your demand could simply be surplus beyond the maximization point. This is not difficult to understand.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:13 pm to Golfer
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The problem is that the customers are more than just customers. That's where the economic model ends up skewing the return/results.
Alumni, fans, etc. are more invested in LSU than just one product.
I agree that they are more invested, hence why LSU can get away with charging $40 to park and not face tremendous demand fluctuations (against typical opponents). To be it simple, the fanbase is EXTREMELY inelastic.
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 4:15 pm
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