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re: The state of LSU basketball
Posted on 6/9/16 at 2:24 pm to GeismarGeauxer
Posted on 6/9/16 at 2:24 pm to GeismarGeauxer
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O'Neal reportedly pushed hard behind the scenes for Jones to get the job.
i was about to post this
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Posted on 6/9/16 at 2:25 pm to thunderbird1100
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You defend Johnny Jones' horrible year last season
Ive constantly said Jones did a terrible job last season. Where are yall getting this shite from? I said Jones shouldnt be fired based on one season.
Eta: maybe not constantly, but Ive mentioned it before.
This post was edited on 6/9/16 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:24 pm to GeismarGeauxer
Perhaps he wants his son to play where he won't be compared to him every time. That is just like when Billy Cannon's son went to Texas A&M. It amazes me about how many experts that are on this site about all sports. You can talk about it, but I doubt many of you could ever do it on the playing field or court.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:27 pm to dj30
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Ive constantly said Jones did a terrible job last season. Where are yall getting this shite from?
"He wins games and gets players to the NBA. Plain and simple."
--you
You tell me how we're supposed to interpret that.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 3:28 pm to dj30
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Ive constantly said Jones did a terrible job last season. Where are yall getting this shite from? I said Jones shouldnt be fired based on one season.
Yet here you are in this very thread claiming "no one has won quicker at LSU than Jones in basketball" and "he wins games and gets players to the NBA"
Who fricking cares? He hasn't won a tournament game in 4 years here and has only been to the tournament once. Missing the tournament with a team like last year is damn near a firable offense. That's a good way to set a program back.
You knight for Jones harder than anyone on here. You are pretty much no different than Mr. Draconian Sanctions to Brady.
Yet still have the gall to say Mainieri underachieved this year (or part of it), completely laughable.
This post was edited on 6/9/16 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 6/9/16 at 6:37 pm to GeismarGeauxer
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At least have us on the list of 5 schools.
It looks like LSU's check bounced.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 8:27 pm to WeeWee
If Jones wins 20 games next year will he be fired ?
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:30 pm to GeismarGeauxer
Kid's got a right to go where he wants, but to me it speaks volumes that one of the main cogs in the DB mafia that helped hasten the hire of Johnny Jones, but CJJ can't even get in the final conversation for his son.
I just think he saw what we all saw. Saddens me but does not surprise me.
I just think he saw what we all saw. Saddens me but does not surprise me.
Posted on 6/9/16 at 9:34 pm to dj30
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No coach has won more at the beginning of their career at LSU than Johnny Jones.
When you put that in context and look at it rationally, it really isn't that impressive.
Every LSU coach in history took over a bigger shite storm than Johnny except Trent and even he took over a program set for extremely short term success with major issues to overcome.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 7:58 am to Tiger Ugly
You could make the argument about his record, and everyone knows that I have made that argument, but the fact is that we were a national embarassment last year. When you have to turn down a postseason game because your team is a such a cluster frick you have a major problems regardless of your record.
Ben Simmons was supposed to be the recruit that brought this problem to the next level. The sad thing is that there is a portion of our fanbase, at the very least a portion of morons that post on here, that blame Ben for last season. 100% of the blame belongs on Johnny Jones shoulders. He allowed Tim Quarteman to become a cancer and he did not do anything about it. I'm a former high school coach. Back in my coaching days I went to one coaches' clinic and I'll never forget what one college coach said, "If you can't control your hut (meaning your locker room) then you better burn that mother fricker to the ground." Johnny didn't burn shite. He let the cancer fester until the team had a full on meltdown and basically quit at the end of the year. Not to mention one other minor detail, Johnny proved that he can't even teach a single defensive fundamental. Not a single one!
The program is an absolute diaster right now and we have no leadership in the athletic department. I foresee a record drop in season ticket sales. I foresee every home game next season being like an away game because this fanbase loathes the coach. Any mistake made by the coach next year is going to trigger a response by the home crowd that loathes him. And we all know there will be plenty of of dumb substitutions and timeouts made by the coach.
On the positive side, our roster for next year is better than most people know anchored by Victor and Blakeney. Duop Reath is a shot blocker that can step out and knock down a 3 ball or two a game. But we are extremely inexperienced at PG and we didn't add any true shooters (unless you count Heyward but I think he is a wildcard.)
I think the roster is good enough to get us to .500 in league play. Johnny has a history of overperforming with bad teams at North Texas and his first year here. Under normal circumstances I would be happy with a rebuilding year but this program can no longer be rebuilt. Johnny has lost all credibility on the recruiting trail. Shaq's kid is just one example. Every high school recruit in the state of Louisiana saw LSU fall flat on its face this past year. I firmly believe that Johnny's solid recruiting days are over now.
So I'll be there in the PMAC for almost every game next year. And I do think we'll get to or close to .500 in league play. Which depresses me because knowing our AD that will probably warrant a contract extension for Jones. I'm bracing myself for a very slow and painful death of our basketball program.
Ben Simmons was supposed to be the recruit that brought this problem to the next level. The sad thing is that there is a portion of our fanbase, at the very least a portion of morons that post on here, that blame Ben for last season. 100% of the blame belongs on Johnny Jones shoulders. He allowed Tim Quarteman to become a cancer and he did not do anything about it. I'm a former high school coach. Back in my coaching days I went to one coaches' clinic and I'll never forget what one college coach said, "If you can't control your hut (meaning your locker room) then you better burn that mother fricker to the ground." Johnny didn't burn shite. He let the cancer fester until the team had a full on meltdown and basically quit at the end of the year. Not to mention one other minor detail, Johnny proved that he can't even teach a single defensive fundamental. Not a single one!
The program is an absolute diaster right now and we have no leadership in the athletic department. I foresee a record drop in season ticket sales. I foresee every home game next season being like an away game because this fanbase loathes the coach. Any mistake made by the coach next year is going to trigger a response by the home crowd that loathes him. And we all know there will be plenty of of dumb substitutions and timeouts made by the coach.
On the positive side, our roster for next year is better than most people know anchored by Victor and Blakeney. Duop Reath is a shot blocker that can step out and knock down a 3 ball or two a game. But we are extremely inexperienced at PG and we didn't add any true shooters (unless you count Heyward but I think he is a wildcard.)
I think the roster is good enough to get us to .500 in league play. Johnny has a history of overperforming with bad teams at North Texas and his first year here. Under normal circumstances I would be happy with a rebuilding year but this program can no longer be rebuilt. Johnny has lost all credibility on the recruiting trail. Shaq's kid is just one example. Every high school recruit in the state of Louisiana saw LSU fall flat on its face this past year. I firmly believe that Johnny's solid recruiting days are over now.
So I'll be there in the PMAC for almost every game next year. And I do think we'll get to or close to .500 in league play. Which depresses me because knowing our AD that will probably warrant a contract extension for Jones. I'm bracing myself for a very slow and painful death of our basketball program.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 8:04 am to camplsu
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The program is an absolute diaster right now
Spoke with a buddy who works with the program. The coaches know their jobs are in jeopardy and the feeling is very uneasy. Coming from the inside, the most unsettling about everything is the recruiting issue for '17 and how they could not fix the locker room issues.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 8:08 am to More beer please
1) Hire Kevin Keatts
2) Win games
3) ???
4) Profit
2) Win games
3) ???
4) Profit
Posted on 6/10/16 at 8:20 am to eVOLution
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On the obvious level it should be no surprise that Shaq prefers Shareef go to Kentucky; any parent -- whether they're a 7'1" future Hall of Famer or not -- who wants their son to make a successful transition to the NBA would have Kentucky on their short list. No school is better at getting their players into and out of school in one year, and prepared for the league quite like Kentucky is (this year's NBA Rookie of the Year Karl-Anthony Towns is just the latest example).
Can't blame him. Love Shaq
Wish our program wasn't a complete dumpster fire. Wish our coach was competent too. My CYO basketball "coach" coached more than Jones did last season
This post was edited on 6/10/16 at 8:21 am
Posted on 6/10/16 at 9:04 am to GeismarGeauxer
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MessageGeismarGeauxerThe state of LSU basketballWhat if you were one that pushed for him to be hired?
Shaq wasn't the culprit. I think most people know who got The Bag Man his job.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 9:30 am to camplsu
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On the positive side, our roster for next year is better than most people know anchored by Victor and Blakeney.
That's the most frustrating part IMO. I don't think next year's roster is horrible. It's not incredibly deep or really even balanced, but there are some guys who can play. Blakney is an All SEC caliber player. Victor was a good in year one as I think anyone could have reasonably expected. Sampson is going to be a very good player. I think we see a big jump in production from him. Patterson tailed off a bit last year, but he's savvy and has made some big shots in his career. I think LSU's starting 5 could compete with anyone in the SEC not named Kentucky.
It would have been the perfect time to make a coaching change. The new guy could have come in with a pretty good roster and started to build momentum in recruiting for the future. Instead, LSU is just prolonging the inevitable with one more year of Jones. The coaching staff is uneasy (understandably so) and top recruits are going to be reluctant to commit to LSU knowing there is a real possibility that the staff they commit to will be gone by the time they step on campus. It was time to build on the good that Jones has brought to the program rather than allow it to possibly sink back to the Johnson era.
It was an extremely short-sighted decision by the President to keep Jones. I don't put this on Alleva. I think the LSU President is going all-in on the narrative that LSU is completely broke and he's not going to make any decisions (i.e. a major coaching change) that contradict the image he wants to portray.
I'll be in the PMAC because I like college basketball. However, it's frustrating to realize that after 4 years of Jones, LSU is not THAT much closer to being a nationally competitive program than they were at the end of the Johnson tenure
Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:07 am to Alt26
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t was time to build on the good that Jones has brought to the program rather than allow it to possibly sink back to the Johnson era.
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However, it's frustrating to realize that after 4 years of Jones, LSU is not THAT much closer to being a nationally competitive program than they were at the end of the Johnson tenure
I 100% agree with you. IMO, any chance of us making a postseason tournament is going to depend on how well we shoot beyond the arc. We weren't a good 3-pt team last year and we don't have anyone replacing Hornsby as a pure shooter. Sampson and Blakeney should be better so hopefully those shoots come from those two with JPatt sprinkling in his shoots as well. I think Heyward is a player that won't contribute significantly until year 2 or 3. PG worries me but I'm so glad that Quarterman is gone so I don't mind. But there is a lot of potentially exciting and likable talent on next year's team.
If the powers at be would have made a move after last season, Johnny could have been a stepping stone coach that handed the program off better than when he inherited it. But now we have a one year roster that is going to should buy him at least another year. I think 9-9 in conference gets him another season. I have talked to others who think NIT or better gets him another season. If Johnny makes it to 2017-18 that is when the doldrums are going to set in. In the last 3 recruiting classes (after Martin & Mickey recruiting class) we have only signed two true post players straight out of high school, Elbert and Ben. And one is already in the NBA. We have converted Epps into a post player but going into next season we are going to have ZERO freshmen or sophomore post players. I simply don't see this coaching staff being able to keep up on the recruiting trail anymore. The loss of David Patrick on a lateral move to a school that is conference bottom dweller was telling that even those in the coaching staff with Johnny know that this is the beginning of the end for Johnny. I just hope we don't end up back in the Trent Johnson era.
This post was edited on 6/10/16 at 10:09 am
Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:14 am to camplsu
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PG worries me but I'm so glad that Quarterman is gone so I don't mind.
Just losing him is an upgrade. I will continually say that I am extremely excited and have high hopes for Skylar. I think he can come in day 1 and hold his own.
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But now we have a one year roster that is going to should buy him at least another year.
I just can't agree with this. With no true Center and zero PF depth, we are going to get werked inside. If Johnny doesnt make the tournament he is gone and I dont see this roster doing that.
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I just hope we don't end up back in the Trent Johnson era.
I think its too late. We dont have a single recruit for 2017 yet. Still no JUCO transfer big for this season. After this season it is going to be bad.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:18 am to More beer please
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Spoke with a buddy who works with the program. The coaches know their jobs are in jeopardy and the feeling is very uneasy.
I am honestly shocked that there has not been more of a shakeup with the coaching staff. If you are Johnny and your job is on the line, how to you not cut ties with Brendan Suhr and bring in some young energetic assistant? I went to a practice last year and 90% of the on floor coaching was done by Johnny and David Patrick. The other 10% came from Charlie Lenoard and Al Pinkins. Suhr was like that grandpa just sitting off to the side, hanging out and throwing out the occasional joke. If Johnny knows his job is in jeopardy then he should cut the dead weight of Brendan Suhr and bring in some more energetic assistants. Of course, this is just another example of how in over his head Johnny is right now.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:20 am to camplsu
It's pretty evident that Johnny has just given up. When your own staff is confused why you dont have a single 2017 recruit...thats an issue.
But again, if you are coach would you want to go into a situation like that?
But again, if you are coach would you want to go into a situation like that?
Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:21 am to More beer please
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Just losing him is an upgrade. I will continually say that I am extremely excited and have high hopes for Skylar. I think he can come in day 1 and hold his own.
100% agree. I think Mays is a perfect fit. Our main problem is we don't have a backup for him IMO. I have heard the coaching staff likes Jenkins as a PG though.
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I just can't agree with this. With no true Center and zero PF depth, we are going to get werked inside. If Johnny doesnt make the tournament he is gone and I dont see this roster doing that.
I am VERY high on Duop Reath. I think he is a day one starter. Shoot blocker with a jump shot. He fits are needs badly. I think between him, Victor and Epps we should be alright. Of course that means Epps has to be more consistent. I am not counting on anything from Elbert or Darcy.
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