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re: The outfield battle
Posted on 2/17/25 at 7:36 pm to WigSplitta22
Posted on 2/17/25 at 7:36 pm to WigSplitta22
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Larson hasn't made a single error in the outfield and gets to every ball Brown can.
Larson is a below average OF. His arm is a noodle. His would've been playing 1B this year if Jones had left. His bat will force his way into the lineup but let's not pretend he's as good defensively as the other 3.
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Posted on 2/17/25 at 7:37 pm to johno71
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and at some point you have to accept that and move on. Great teammate I am sure but those ABs could be going further down the line
Good lord it's been 1 weekend
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:29 am to Choupique19
I didn't say he needed to be in starting line up. Just like having him available.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:36 am to FlyFishinTiger
There's going to be change throughout the year. Whoever has the hottest bat at the time will start. Lots of moving pieces, and a good problem to have.
I see Stanfield and Pearson taking a back seat if their bats go cold. These younger guys start hitting for power and we know what JJ will do.
I see Stanfield and Pearson taking a back seat if their bats go cold. These younger guys start hitting for power and we know what JJ will do.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:59 am to FredbullTN
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Pearson should be your first off the bench in a pinch hit situation depending on matchup.
I agree that Josh needs to be involved all season long even if he's not starting every SEC game. We've seen for 2 years now him come up clutch at the end of SEC play and in the postseason
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:19 am to Yeti_Chaser
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Larson is a below average OF. His arm is a noodle. His would've been playing 1B this year if Jones had left. His bat will force his way into the lineup but let's not pretend he's as good defensively as the other 3.
Which situation did you need his arm to make a play that he didn't?
Even if he's a step below Brown defensively which i don't think he is, he's still better overall than Brown
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:33 am to WigSplitta22
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he's still better overall than Brown
From strictly a tools standpoint, it's hard to win this argument.
Defense: Brown
Speed: Brown
Arm Strength: Brown
Power: honestly, too close to call
Hitting: Larson
So why wouldn't the guy who is a better athlete play the field, while the guy who is the better bat DH? I don't think you'll find many that disagree on Larson being in the lineup, but let's not act like Jake Brown doesn't have just as much or more potential. He's been destroying the baseball in spring and was among the top hitters in the fall after a fairly solid freshman season.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:54 am to sportsfan
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So why wouldn't the guy who is a better athlete play the field, while the guy who is the better bat DH? I don't think you'll find many that disagree on Larson being in the lineup, but let's not act like Jake Brown doesn't have just as much or more potential and was among the top hitters in the fall after a fairly solid freshman season.
The easiest argument to win is who produces when it matters and the answer is Larson. Brown hasn't done shite "in game" to show he needs to play in front of Larson. Doesn't matter how many "tools" people say you have if you never show them. Paxton Kling was the next "5 tool" player as well
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He's been destroying the baseball in spring
How about destroy the baseball in games
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:57 am to tigerbru17
It's definitely too early to call it. I think it's curiel and Stanfield spots to lose, but between the potential for slumps and the possibility of others just straight up outplayed them they're not locked in imo. There's gonna be rotation for a while and possibly throughout the season.
I think an interesting segue is the depth chart specifically for CF. Stanfield seems pretty obviously 1, but how do the rest stack up behind him? Curiel after him, then brown maybe?
It's not unfathomable that at least two of those guys slump or otherwise are out simultaneously so it's nice to have some decent options.
I think an interesting segue is the depth chart specifically for CF. Stanfield seems pretty obviously 1, but how do the rest stack up behind him? Curiel after him, then brown maybe?
It's not unfathomable that at least two of those guys slump or otherwise are out simultaneously so it's nice to have some decent options.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 12:26 pm to WigSplitta22
Again I don't understand your argument. They are both in the lineup. This isn't an "either or" situation, at least not yet this season.
But just out of mere boredom, I'll continue. Brown is not Kling, he is actually producing. He had 3 less RBI than Larson last season in 50 less at-bats. You already said, his slug% is a hair better...OPS is pretty even.
He had three hits this weekend in two starts, .444 OPB, an RBI, stole a base, played errorless defense. Larson clearly had the better weekend hitting the ball, Brown produced also. Once again, they both belong in the lineup. So explain why it has to be an either or argument?
But just out of mere boredom, I'll continue. Brown is not Kling, he is actually producing. He had 3 less RBI than Larson last season in 50 less at-bats. You already said, his slug% is a hair better...OPS is pretty even.
He had three hits this weekend in two starts, .444 OPB, an RBI, stole a base, played errorless defense. Larson clearly had the better weekend hitting the ball, Brown produced also. Once again, they both belong in the lineup. So explain why it has to be an either or argument?
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 2/18/25 at 12:56 pm to tigerbru17
Larson had a damn good freshman and was the MVP of his team in the tough Cape Cod League. He has to be a starter even if he is the primary DH and part time outfielder. If not, I would expect him to leave. If Brown could handle CF, I would put Stanfield on the pines.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:22 am to WigSplitta22
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Potential is meaningless when you have shown you can't hit. He's had over 80 AB's in his career and hasn't shown a lick of power with a career slugging % under .300. He has 4 doubles in his career.
Did you see that ball leave the yard last night? Frey crushed it.
Frey was doing okay before he got hurt. 80 ABs is not that much when you aren't playing regularly. If he gets some regular PT, he should improve. His upside is high. Would like to see him get some more opportunities. He's 6'5", 250 lbs, and can run. I would like to see if we can develop that. If he doesn't pan out, then he won't get many opportunities at the end of the year and he'll probably enter the portal.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:28 am to Choupique19
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He's proved himself to be a .255 hitter. Pretty consistent 3 year run.
He's also had some very clutch moments which many seem to forget about.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:29 am to WigSplitta22
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Doesn't matter how many "tools" people say you have if you never show them. Paxton Kling was the next "5 tool" player as well
A guy who obviously doesn’t understand the word “tools” in baseball. Paxton Kling exhibited, every game, his wonderful “tools”. Kling’s problem is that he was very deficient in one key tool, hitting. But… anyone who says he wasn’t a damn good center fielder is a fool.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:30 am to bearhc
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I would put Stanfield on the pines.
Where do you people come from
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:36 am to thunderbird1100
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I would put Stanfield on the pines.
Where do you people come from
The only thing I can see is familiarity bias. All they see is a sub-300 transfer hitter versus a couple of guys who were on the roster last season. I also think Stanfield is a victim of the Kling effect. We've seen a speedy, toolsy, defensive centerfielder come in and never be able to hit his own weight, so it's almost like some expect the same from Stanfield.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:50 am to Tammany Tom
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A guy who obviously doesn’t understand the word “tools” in baseball.
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Kling’s problem is that he was very deficient in one key tool, hitting.
Which is 2 of the tools that make up a 5 tool player. You just proved my point.
If you can't hit then that's not a tool you possess and if you only show your true potential in scrimmages then you are the odd man out
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:53 am to sportsfan
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Again I don't understand your argument. They are both in the lineup. This isn't an "either or" situation, at least not yet this season.
It should be because Larson needs to be in the everyday lineup. The dude hit .330 in SEC play as a freshman.
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Once again, they both belong in the lineup. So explain why it has to be an either or argument?
Because they won't always be. The argument is Larson should be the everyday starter and let Brown DH against righties
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:10 am to WigSplitta22
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Because they won't always be. The argument is Larson should be the everyday starter and let Brown DH against righties
Brown is in the OF because he is much better defensively, not sure how this is hard to understand. Larson will tend to DH as a lesser defensive player, they are both typically i nthe lineup so your whole argument is extremely dumb here trying to bench Brown only as DH vs. righties while playing the worse defensive player in his place full time. If Larson is going to out hit him by a ton MAYBE there would be an argument, but that isnt the case at all right now. Brown pretty much outperformed him a the plate through the fall and spring practices.
If you want to go on this pretend argument there's basically no difference defensively between Larson and Brown, ask yourself why Jay is starting Brown in the OF and not Larson and you should have your answer.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 10:12 am
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:15 am to WigSplitta22
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Larson needs to be in the everyday lineup.
I don't know if you realize, but I'm agreeing with you.
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The argument is Larson should be the everyday starter and let Brown DH against righties
Here's where you lose me. Do you not consider the DH as an everyday starter? If Larson ends up being the primary DH, what's the issue with Brown in RF. Brown is faster with a much better arm.
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