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re: The Offense of LSU vs BAMA, Mett vs McCarron by the numbers
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:03 pm to km
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:03 pm to km
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These stats are not comparing like teams as the opponents; therefore, they're not accurate.
feel free to breakdown Michigan, WKU, FAU, Arky and Ole Piss vs North Texas, Idaho, Washington, Towson and Auburn and post them here
i am not going to work that hard
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Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:06 pm to Mayhawman
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You're either blind or clueless about football. Do you really think there's a sloppy offensive philosophy?
It's all about execution.
Football is like a dance.
Until you learn the steps you'll look foolish.
i agree on some account, and disagree with some…. sure you could have the best gameplan in the world, but if you don't execute, you lose…. but to be honest, we haven't had either….
our gameplan has been pretty timid, either out of need (to not put too much on the offense) or out of want (let's not pretend like Miles' background has nothing to do with it…)
but they aren't helping themselves out by dropping balls, turning it over, etc…. Miles, instead of opening it up, is only going to become more conservative and rely more on the run game than anything….
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:09 pm to supatigah
quote:supatigah that's who. See?quote:who said that?
YEEEaaaa those 6 TD's and 2 INt's don't matter at ALL!! MEtt is so equal to McCarron.
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Mett is producing relatively equivalent (6 less TD passes/2 more INTs) to that of McCarron
quote:Ah... yea ya kinda did.
nobody said that
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:10 pm to chRxis
chRxis
I am not really sure why you chose to pick my post apart. I'm sorry if I choose to be optimistic about this team. I have seen things that make me want to believe that this team can be really good.
Sure they have largely looked uninspired at times, but they have done well at times too.
When I say if I am not guaranteeing anything. I just mean to say that when they are rolling they are very good.
If you want to pick something apart then look at the team:
The Oline has lost two starters and two key contributors.
They lost the main deep threat at WR in a group that seems to keep underachieving.
The defensive secondary is depleted in experience, but they seem to be improving.
Truth be told this isn't the same team as last year, but they have a ton of potential.
Quit being negative and taking your frustrations out on others.
I am not really sure why you chose to pick my post apart. I'm sorry if I choose to be optimistic about this team. I have seen things that make me want to believe that this team can be really good.
Sure they have largely looked uninspired at times, but they have done well at times too.
When I say if I am not guaranteeing anything. I just mean to say that when they are rolling they are very good.
If you want to pick something apart then look at the team:
The Oline has lost two starters and two key contributors.
They lost the main deep threat at WR in a group that seems to keep underachieving.
The defensive secondary is depleted in experience, but they seem to be improving.
Truth be told this isn't the same team as last year, but they have a ton of potential.
Quit being negative and taking your frustrations out on others.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:10 pm to chRxis
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the other guy was right… you didn't "say" it outright, you implied it with the stats and gross over exaggeration by bolding the most similar stats….
PERCEPTION IS REALITY
according to some media McCarron is now a heisman candidate and BAMA is the greatest program in the land
according to some on this board Mett is a dumpster fire as a starter and LSU needs to fire the HC or at least his entire offensive staff
So I said look at their basic QB stats and the team's basic offensive stats and they are remarkably similar
factor in the huge disparity in experience between the two and the similarities in production are eye opening
but the PERCEPTION of some is the QBs and the teams are at completely opposite ends of the spectrum
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:10 pm to chRxis
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but they aren't helping themselves out by dropping balls, turning it over, etc…. Miles, instead of opening it up, is only going to become more conservative and rely more on the run game than anything….
And honestly, he would be foolish to do anything else. I still think we'll pass it around some, but until our execution improves you have to stick close to what gives you the best chance at success.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:11 pm to supatigah
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i am not going to work that hard
of course not… why would you….
it's OK…. we know this thread didn't exactly achieve what you wanted, but by your reluctance to compare the teams (which, any college football fan can tell you, are pretty similar, despite some differences), and the refusal to post any other stats that were requested, we know the reason….. it's cool, but just remember stats don't ALWAYS tell the ENTIRE story...
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:15 pm to geauxjo
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And honestly, he would be foolish to do anything else. I still think we'll pass it around some, but until our execution improves you have to stick close to what gives you the best chance at success.
agree 100%…. i wasn't arguing that at all… but it's more for the "we need to air it out" crowd… that ain't happening, so we'll stick to the same brand of football we are currently seeing, which vs. SEC talent, and our team AS IS, doesn't look favorable for us….
that's all… we won't get blown out, but i don't see us NOT losing at least 1 game during the remainder of the schedule… and that's based solely on the performances they have shown TO THIS POINT…
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:16 pm to supatigah
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no Bama played Michigan (now 2-2)
Western Kentucky (4-1)
Arkansas (1-4)
Florida Atlantic (1-4)
Ole Piss (2-3)
not exactly a murderers row of a schedule
UW is better than any team on that schedule and we slaughtered them
I'm not freaking out just yet
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:18 pm to chRxis
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of course not… why would you….
you think there is that big a difference in the two schedules? really?
ETA: on this site using only FBS vs FBS game results:
LINK
LSU strength of schedule after 4 games is #43
BAMA's is #59 with 5 games
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and the refusal to post any other stats that were requested, we know the reason…..
espn.com team stat pages doesnt have red zone efficiency stats and QB fumbles lost and that is as far into this research as I am willing to go
This post was edited on 10/1/12 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:22 pm to chRxis
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that's all… we won't get blown out, but i don't see us NOT losing at least 1 game during the remainder of the schedule… and that's based solely on the performances they have shown TO THIS POINT…
And honestly losing a game isn't a tragedy....except to some fans who think not only should we win every game but win by 3 scores and put up 300 yards of passing.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:24 pm to obsessedgator
I thought you would post our stats against Bama.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:25 pm to supatigah
Wow. You could have fooled me! But, the numbers tell the tale. I just wish they would be doing it a lil more polished.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:26 pm to Powerman
If we are going to base things on stats, well according to the numbers Jarrett Lee was better than Shittenberger against better opponents too..... 
I am not impressed with the offensive production this year. It's not just Mett, although he hasn't been that impressive so far, but the whole offensive system at LSU is not good right now.
Our RB's has done an awful job in blitz pickups....I mean Ware missed the blitzing guy every dam time.
I think we should let Rivers and/or Boldin see some action.....We will need a mobile QB to beat Bama.
Saban has figured LSU out. Put 8 in the box and jam the WR's off the line.
I am not impressed with the offensive production this year. It's not just Mett, although he hasn't been that impressive so far, but the whole offensive system at LSU is not good right now.
Our RB's has done an awful job in blitz pickups....I mean Ware missed the blitzing guy every dam time.
I think we should let Rivers and/or Boldin see some action.....We will need a mobile QB to beat Bama.
Saban has figured LSU out. Put 8 in the box and jam the WR's off the line.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:26 pm to Bmath
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Quit being negative and taking your frustrations out on others.
i'm not being "negative"…. i'm being realistic… notice i never said we are going to be skull fricked from here out or anything… i've said, and maintained, that from what we have seen to this point, the rest of the way doesn't look so good…. that's my observation and OPINION… you know like the OPINION you have that we'll be fine…. i'm tolerable of your opinion, why is that you can't tolerate mine? because it's not what you want to read/hear on a Monday?
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I just mean to say that when they are rolling they are very good
absolutely agree…. but when have they been "rolling" really this season?? normally, by this point in the season, it seems that LSU is "rolling", but this season just feels different… i'm not sure if it's the injuries, the lack of quality opponents, or what… but i don't see them just transforming into a championship team when they consistently fail to improve in the areas that THEY have identified as problem areas….
quote:
If you want to pick something apart then look at the team:
The Oline has lost two starters and two key contributors.
They lost the main deep threat at WR in a group that seems to keep underachieving.
The defensive secondary is depleted in experience, but they seem to be improving.
that's nice… but all i see is EXCUSE, EXCUSE, EXCUSE…. look, great teams overcome shite like this on a regular basis…. if we don't i guess we know where we stand… and that's OK… like, i've said, there's always next season….
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they have a ton of potential.
they do…. however, they aren't translating that on the field, now are they?? until they do, (and to be fair, i figured they would have by now, but….), i have to call it like I (and ME only) see it…
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Quit being negative
quit being positive…. see how stupid that is??? not everyone who doesn't just think everything is rainbows and unicorns is "negative"… i'm sorry, but if i see it the way i see it, i'm going to voice MY OPINION (just as you do, evidently) on and LSU forum…. you know, you don't HAVE to read everything on here, nor do you HAVE to respond…
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:29 pm to chRxis
quote:I don't think so. They are trying a few more different routes than last year's 75% PA bombs.
our gameplan has been pretty timid,
Don't confuse unsuccessful execution with timid gameplans.
If some of those throws weren't off or passes weren't dropped you'd be elated with the O.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:32 pm to chRxis
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of course not… why would you….
it's OK…. we know this thread didn't exactly achieve what you wanted, but by your reluctance to compare the teams (which, any college football fan can tell you, are pretty similar, despite some differences), and the refusal to post any other stats that were requested, we know the reason….. it's cool, but just remember stats don't ALWAYS tell the ENTIRE story...
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:33 pm to supatigah
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LSU strength of schedule after 4 games is #43
BAMA's is #59 with 5 games
Towson is such a cupcake they don't even factor it in to strength of schedule and you still use this to prove your point??
but anyway, you must have missed when i said there wasn't too much difference in the schedules that THEY (Bama and LSU) have played…
all i know, is McCarron is doing a much better job at doing his job, which is taking care of the football, not forcing the action, and getting the ball in the hands of his playmakers…. Mett isn't helped by drops, but there are some errant throws that are in the "drop" category…. that being said, i think EVERYONE would agree that Mett hasn't lived up to the hype (how could he anyway), but in terms of becoming an effective SEC starting QB, he has a lot of work to do, but the games that he could "work" on it are gone…. we have what we have, now, with him, and that's what has some fans pretty concerned….
This post was edited on 10/1/12 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:39 pm to chRxis
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the perception of a vocal minority on this board is LSU is an offensive dumpster fire, Mett is a oblivious disaster as a starter, BAMA 2012 is the 1979 Pittsburgh Steelers and we need to fire everybody now HOWEVER if you look at Mett's role in the LSU offense, McCarron's role in the Bama offense, factor in their dramatic differences in experience and compare the numbers they are remarkably similar. Since we play BAMA every week in our minds, I just wanted to point out the similarity of the production of the two QBs and their respective offenses. nobody said right now they are equals, they are producing remarkably similar numbers for being two QBs at different stages of their development
If this is your opinion then put it in the OP. Much clearer as opposed to what everyone probably thinks you are trying to say
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:41 pm to GeauxPack81
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If this is your opinion then put it in the OP. Much clearer as opposed to what everyone probably thinks you are trying to say
for real… the OP makes it sound like you are saying there's nothing to worry about because Mett is just as good, even better in some regards, than McCarron, who, right now, is a potential Heisman candidate….
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