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re: The Offense of LSU vs BAMA, Mett vs McCarron by the numbers
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:30 pm to BobBoucher
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:30 pm to BobBoucher
Bama has played fau and another scrub
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Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:32 pm to supatigah
So you are saying he will be much better next year?
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:33 pm to BobBoucher
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has bama played powerhouses like Towson and ULL every game like LSU has?
no Bama played Michigan (now 2-2)
Western Kentucky (4-1)
Arkansas (1-4)
Florida Atlantic (1-4)
Ole Piss (2-3)
not exactly a murderers row of a schedule
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:34 pm to supatigah
I don't think LSU is terrible, but I do see they are a work in progress, especially on offense, and the D is giving up some plays that wouldn't have happened as frequently last year.
The real thing is that when the coaches want to run what is a low risk offense and a large number of turnovers are occurring, combined with numerous dropped passes that could move the chains, then the margin of error grows very small. That is the crux of the problem. Either the sloppy play improves and TO's are greatly reduced or the formula is going to allow losses to teams LSU should be favored to beat. They either get it going, or they continue the unfocused, sloppy play and deal with the consequences.
The real thing is that when the coaches want to run what is a low risk offense and a large number of turnovers are occurring, combined with numerous dropped passes that could move the chains, then the margin of error grows very small. That is the crux of the problem. Either the sloppy play improves and TO's are greatly reduced or the formula is going to allow losses to teams LSU should be favored to beat. They either get it going, or they continue the unfocused, sloppy play and deal with the consequences.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:34 pm to Tiger79
The problem is our coaches don't adjust to other defenses weaknesses! It's not Mett, the OLine or the RB's. It's our whole fricking sloppy offensive philosophy. Chavis and good recruiting are the only thing keeping LSU winning.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:35 pm to GeauxPack81
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And for the record, we had a same type of thread as this last year with far better offensive numbers and then we proceeded to get shutout on 1/9
Really? Because the team we were last year at this time, was completely different than the one we put on the field in Mercedes dome, because of one JJ #9
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:35 pm to Tiger79
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YEEEaaaa those 6 TD's and 2 INt's don't matter at ALL!! MEtt is so equal to McCarron.
who said that? nobody said that
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:41 pm to Tiger79
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The problem is our coaches don't adjust to other defenses weaknesses! It's not Mett, the OLine or the RB's. It's our whole fricking sloppy offensive philosophy.
I am convinced we dont gameplan based off other teams, which is ignorant
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:43 pm to supatigah
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who said that? nobody said that
You essentially implied it with your stats, especially by highlighting the statistics that were almost identical.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:47 pm to alajones
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So you are saying he will be much better next year?
how should I know? I hope so, but we dont know for sure what the future holds
I think they are asking Mett to have as big a role in our offense as McCarron is in bama's offense against certain teams. the big difference is McCarron has 13 more starts than Mett does and we are seeing Mett's growing pains every week. I recall McCarron having some pretty bad gaffs and terrible decisions last year too.
Part of the reason we won in Bama in November was they clearly didnt trust Mccarron to make certain throws in that environment. By 1/9 they trusted him completely and opened everything up for McCarron, which allowed him to help beat the LSU defense throwing the football.
I think McCarron is a much bigger component of their offense now than he was last year because they are not as dominant on the ground without TR. This would not be the case if McCarron was a first year starter.
Mett is being asked to make challenging throws against the cupcakes but they scaled him WAY back against Auburn because he appeared to be overwhelmed and LSU did just enough to win.
I think LSU wants to expose mett in the cupcakes and they will reel him in for SEC play. this saturday I think we will see the rushing attempts go up, the PA passing go up and way less read the defense on 5 or 7 step drops from Mett. This will reduce the opportunities to put the ball in jeopardy with QB fumbles and sacks.
this QB development stuff is all a work in progress and the final result could be terrible or it could be spectacular
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:48 pm to supatigah
You can't convince some people things are not as bad as the media portrays them or they perceive them.
If we executed better, hundreds of threads over the past few weeks do not exist. But that doesn't mean we do not have things to work on.
If we executed better, hundreds of threads over the past few weeks do not exist. But that doesn't mean we do not have things to work on.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:52 pm to supatigah
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until we have more evidence (games played) we really don't know what the 2012 LSU football team or Mett are going to be.
this IS the overall concern of "negative" sounding posters!!!
the biggest concern is that by the time we truly KNOW what this team is, it's going to be to late!! that's the elephant in the room that many of you, who only see the "negative" comments as sour grapes…. but SO FAR, just the EVIDENCE, is there much to go on to make you think they are just going to miraculously turn it around vs. tougher competition?? how do you justify your answer, other than faith or hope?? you can't, because TO THIS POINT OF THE SEASON, they have not delivered on their promise of decreasing penalties, decreasing turnovers, and cleaning up the "sloppy play"…. that's the main point of contention….
sure, the "negative" posters could turn the blind eye to this too, but not everyone does, and considering who we are about to start playing, there's not much confidence that if they couldn't begin to look better vs. lesser competition, that there is any reason to speculate (because that's all ANYONE is doing at this point) that they will vs. better competition….
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:54 pm to supatigah
You're right!!! LSU is great and there's nothing to worry about
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:54 pm to GeauxPack81
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You essentially implied it with your stats, especially by highlighting the statistics that were almost identical.
perhaps I am not clear
the perception of a vocal minority on this board is LSU is an offensive dumpster fire, Mett is a oblivious disaster as a starter, BAMA 2012 is the 1979 Pittsburgh Steelers and we need to fire everybody now
HOWEVER if you look at Mett's role in the LSU offense, McCarron's role in the Bama offense, factor in their dramatic differences in experience and compare the numbers they are remarkably similar. Since we play BAMA every week in our minds, I just wanted to point out the similarity of the production of the two QBs and their respective offenses.
nobody said right now they are equals, they are producing remarkably similar numbers for being two QBs at different stages of their development
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:56 pm to supatigah
These stats are not comparing like teams as the opponents; therefore, they're not accurate.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 1:57 pm to supatigah
Mettsiah is back!
The pis poor play is just an illusion. Look at the STATS not the product on the field.
The pis poor play is just an illusion. Look at the STATS not the product on the field.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:00 pm to supatigah
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nobody said right now they are equals
the other guy was right… you didn't "say" it outright, you implied it with the stats and gross over exaggeration by bolding the most similar stats….
don't crawfish now… stand your ground…. it's OK…. if i believed in Mett as much as you do, I would… but he hasn't shown me shite thus far, so i'm not putting too much stock into him vs. the SEC…. it's all good, though…. there's always next year… hope i'm wrong about the dude, but from the play he's shown vs. the opponents we've played and their relative strength, he ain't doing to hot, despite the numbers you decided to show (and even those you didn't…)
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:00 pm to Tiger79
quote:You're either blind or clueless about football. Do you really think there's a sloppy offensive philosophy?
It's not Mett, the OLine or the RB's. It's our whole fricking sloppy offensive philosophy.
It's all about execution.
Football is like a dance.
Until you learn the steps you'll look foolish.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:01 pm to supatigah
Good breakdown 
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:02 pm to chRxis
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the biggest concern is that by the time we truly KNOW what this team is, it's going to be to late!! that's the elephant in the room that many of you, who only see the "negative" comments as sour grapes…. but SO FAR, just the EVIDENCE, is there much to go on to make you think they are just going to miraculously turn it around vs. tougher competition?? how do you justify your answer, other than faith or hope?? you can't, because TO THIS POINT OF THE SEASON, they have not delivered on their promise of decreasing penalties, decreasing turnovers, and cleaning up the "sloppy play"…. that's the main point of contention….
sure, the "negative" posters could turn the blind eye to this too, but not everyone does, and considering who we are about to start playing, there's not much confidence that if they couldn't begin to look better vs. lesser competition, that there is any reason to speculate (because that's all ANYONE is doing at this point) that they will vs. better competition….
LSU (like every other fanbase of every other team in every other sport) has more than its share of vocal minority that would rather be right than see their team succeed
So what
In the end we pay money and give our time to watch other people play and coach a sport. They dont listen to us, they dont worry about us and they damn sure dont cater to us. So if it makes people feel better to gnash their teeth, pound their keyboards with their fist and scream fire miles on a message board then so be it.
the concerns relentlessly expressed here on TD.com are merely a fart in a hurricane
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