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re: The Offense of LSU vs BAMA, Mett vs McCarron by the numbers
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:44 pm to chRxis
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:44 pm to chRxis
Why are you so mad? How come if anyone debates your opinion you get so defensive? Oh that's right you are the self proclaimed voice of reason because your views are "realistic."
Sorry dude but it isn't an excuse when perhaps this team is missing certain players a lot more than most are willing to admit. However, the silver lining for me is that I believe that this team can put it together. If they don't then the sun still rises tomorrow.
Yes, it has been sloppy so far, and this team may not punish everyone like they did in 2011. However, if you haven't figured it out yet the LSU formula is use your D to keep you in the game. So far so good.
Sorry dude but it isn't an excuse when perhaps this team is missing certain players a lot more than most are willing to admit. However, the silver lining for me is that I believe that this team can put it together. If they don't then the sun still rises tomorrow.
Yes, it has been sloppy so far, and this team may not punish everyone like they did in 2011. However, if you haven't figured it out yet the LSU formula is use your D to keep you in the game. So far so good.
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Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:46 pm to chRxis
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the OP makes it sound like you are saying there's nothing to worry about because Mett is just as good, even better in some regards, than McCarron, who, right now, is a potential Heisman candidate….
Some people apparently read only what they want to read in things and/or only see every topic as nothing but purely black or white.
I didn't read this into the OP AT ALL.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:48 pm to chRxis
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Towson is such a cupcake they don't even factor it in to strength of schedule and you still use this to prove your point??
no I didnt use it to prove anything
you wanted a comparison of the two schedules, so I I found one site that has current strength of schedule rankings
so I posted the rankings they have and I also posted that they dont use FCS games in the formula because I am being intellectually honest.
what I set out to do was look at the basic stats of the QB and the team for LSU and BAMA. If we want to go crazy with advanced stats and metrics then obviously McCarron is light years beyond Mett. However the PERCEPTION is McCarron is playing his way into the Heisman race, while mett is falling apart. When you look at their basic QB stats and their team's offensive production and compare them, they are remarkably similar. For two QBs that are supposed to be so far apart in their development, the basic QB and team offensive stats dont support the perceptions. Obviously McCarron has better command of his offense, is more efficient and doesnt turn the ball over like Mett does. But he is 17-1 as a starter, whereas mett is 5-0
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:53 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Some people apparently read only what they want to read in things and/or only see every topic as nothing but purely black or white.
I didn't read this into the OP AT ALL.
thank you YA
I even summarized my point several times in this thread and they still don't get it.
Perception is reality, but is it accurate?
Posted on 10/1/12 at 2:54 pm to supatigah
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LSU is #95 in passing yards per game
Unfortunately, this is an improvement.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 3:01 pm to Bmath
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Why are you so mad?
i'm not… i'm asking pretty simple questions… but i'm not going to see this team as perfectly fine because of a couple of stats thrown around….
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How come if anyone debates your opinion you get so defensive?
it's called debating a topic… you go on the offensive to provide your claim, then defend the rebuttal…. is this a new concept??
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I believe
so your opinion is based on hope and/or faith… that's cool… you are entitled to do that… i however, put a little more stock into things that are ACTUALLY occurring… like the fact that we haven't fixed the things that we were supposed to be fixing, vs. lesser competition…
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may not punish everyone like they did in 2011
that's pretty obvious…. nor do i expect another season like that… but to see progression would be nice… we haven't seen that, except maybe week 1 to week 2…. but to this point, you haven't really seen, heard, or felt the natural progression of getting better…. same tired excuses each week….
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However, if you haven't figured it out yet the LSU formula is use your D to keep you in the game
like on January 9th? sure, i'd love to rely on the D this season, but they are young, not as deep as last year, and we just lost our lead blocker for our rushing attack, which helps keep our D "fresh"…. we won't be able to put our D in the situations they were in last season with the same expectation of success…. they were getting worn out vs. Towson!! what do you expect when the rest of the SEC is staring at them across the line??
Posted on 10/1/12 at 3:03 pm to supatigah
A more accurate comparison would be the freshman Manziel of A&M vs Mett as 1st year starters. I don't care about McCarron, we already know what he can do. Manziel, on the other hand, is a breath of fresh air as a first yr starting QB that can do it all, and is just as effective as a passer or runner, that dude is electric.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 3:08 pm to supatigah
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current strength of schedule rankings
minus one of the games that LSU played, which would certainly drop their SOS below Bama's…. i'm sure there's no correlation, right?
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they dont use FCS games in the formula because I am being intellectually honest.
you did that because you HAD to…. nothing about honesty…. i'm pretty sure everyone would notice LSU only played 4 games vs. Bama's 5….
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Obviously McCarron has better command of his offense, is more efficient and doesnt turn the ball over like Mett does.
ok… given the Defenses are very much similar, the running games (for now) are similar, and the weapons at each respective QB's disposal are similar, where do you think the edge for either team will come in??? connecting the dots at all for you yet?
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But he is 17-1 as a starter, whereas mett is 5-0
even more to the point…. 17-1, including games vs. SEC defenses, and he only lost one… to a very, VERY good LSU defense… Mett hasn't even shown the ability, yet, to be effective vs. non-SEC opponents…
Posted on 10/1/12 at 3:13 pm to tirebiter
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A more accurate comparison would be the freshman Manziel of A&M vs Mett as 1st year starters. I don't care about McCarron, we already know what he can do. Manziel, on the other hand, is a breath of fresh air as a first yr starting QB that can do it all, and is just as effective as a passer or runner, that dude is electric.
the OP really, REALLY doesn't want to compare Manziel vs. Mett…
there isn't a comparision, but then again, the systems they are in are completely different too…. but talk about really wouldn't be able to use any stats as backup...
Posted on 10/1/12 at 3:18 pm to chRxis
Bottom line- that performance this past Saturday was the worst ANY Miles team has played since he arrived. I cannot think of one Lsu team (on their worst night) they could beat. That is cause for worry when you're supposed to compete for championships. Atonement can be had in the swamp.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 3:18 pm to chRxis
Here is the thing though. It might just take a loss to put this team in their place. If they lose to UF Saturday chances are they still control their own destiny (LSU, 2003). Perhaps they lose a second game late, they could still possibly make the sugar bowl (LSU, 2006). Heck, if a bunch of teams ranked ahead of them shite the bed they could still make it to Miami (LSU, 2007). Also, we all know pigs sometimes fly and the team that failed to win at home gets a rematch game (Bama, 2011).
There is still plenty of football left, and I haven't given up HOPE that the Tigers can put it all together.
You are correct that I over simplified it by saying they only need great defense. However this team can score points. Just relax and let things unfold. That is what make CFB so much fun.
There is still plenty of football left, and I haven't given up HOPE that the Tigers can put it all together.
You are correct that I over simplified it by saying they only need great defense. However this team can score points. Just relax and let things unfold. That is what make CFB so much fun.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 3:25 pm to Bmath
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I haven't given up HOPE that the Tigers can put it all together.
me either….
however, from the evidence they are currently providing, it's hard to conclude that they can…. that's all i'm really trying to say…
don't get me wrong…. i'm gonna be in section 212 every saturday the Tigers play at home, and i'll be dialed in when on the road, but at this point, i'm not going to be shocked if a few of those don't go our way…. life isn't going to end, and there are much worse things than LSU not winning a NC….
Posted on 10/1/12 at 3:41 pm to chRxis
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here isn't a comparision, but then again, the systems they are in are completely different too…. but talk about really wouldn't be able to use any stats as backup...
Oh, you know what I mean.
And for all that love a drop back QB vs a QB equally talented at passing and running. Dual threat might not translate to the next level, but that doesn't matter at the college level - maintaining possessions, red zone scoring, beating blitzes with your feet if you have to, etc. I think Mett can be a highly competent QB, but he hasn't helped himself much with the sophomoric antics, lack of blitz recog, and turnovers in the public's eyes. It's a bit of a shame that so many thought he would be the second coming of Bert Jones @ start 1 with a largely unproven receiving corp.
I have flushed Sept and have always said if a team plays hard and smart and still gets beat so be it, but to slop around and waste your limited football opps isn't what most of the players would want to recall later in life, especially given all the work and effort put in for years to get to play for a major program. 5-0 is 5-0, move ahead.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 3:41 pm to chRxis
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minus one of the games that LSU played, which would certainly drop their SOS below Bama's…. i'm sure there's no correlation, right?
Troy #47
UGA #48
BAMA #59
UCLA #61
South Car #62
Ball State #66
UTEP #80
Mich State #83
FIU #93
tOSU #98
UMASS #104
Rice #108
UCONN #117
Penn State #122
are the only schools that have played 5 FBS games
So clearly having 5 FBS games under your belt does little for your SOS so early in the season.
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you did that because you HAD to…. nothing about honesty…. i'm pretty sure everyone would notice LSU only played 4 games vs. Bama's 5…
nice
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ok… given the Defenses are very much similar, the running games (for now) are similar, and the weapons at each respective QB's disposal are similar, where do you think the edge for either team will come in??? connecting the dots at all for you yet?
I think LSU can run the ball on BAMA to win the game because our RBs are better than their RBs. I do not think BAMA can pass the ball on LSU to win the game. their OL will not be able to protect AJ to throw it downfield and the short passing game doesnt work against LSU.
If BAMA out rushes us and we turn the ball over they will win. If we out rush BAMA and dont turn the ball over we will win. I dont think Saban will willingly put the game completely in McCarron's hands in Tiger Stadium and I know Miles will not put the game in Mett's hands to win it.
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even more to the point…. 17-1, including games vs. SEC defenses, and he only lost one… to a very, VERY good LSU defense… Mett hasn't even shown the ability, yet, to be effective vs. non-SEC opponents…
Now who is being dishonest? The only games that count in your mind are his first road SEC start and a BS game in the rain against an FCS school? Really?
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Quarterback Zach Mettenberger was again efficient, completing 12-of-18 passes for 195 yards with a 32-yard touchdown pass to Kadron Boone in the third quarter. Wide receiver James Wright had a team highs of 75 yards and five catches. Beckham Jr. finished with 40 yards on two catches despite the fumble and uncharacteristic dropped passes early in the game.
"I was definitely more comfortable this week and getting used to playing the game again," Mettenberger said. "We still made some mistakes out there that we have to iron out. We just have to get better for next week. If we can keep improving every game, we'll be a pretty good football team."
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Posted on 10/1/12 at 3:45 pm to HamBone14
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Sadly, there is no statistic for lack of momentum in your team's overall play.
This team has the ability. Stuff like fumbles, dropped passes and penalties have killed the momentum and dropped confidence.
If you fix a few things, this is one helluva team. I see it getting worse, not better though.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 3:48 pm to chRxis
Manziel plays in a full blown spread offense and runs way more than either LSU or BAMA would want their QB to run. But hey let's compare a spread QB to the two pro style drop back passers this thread is about.
52 rushes for 366 yards and 6 TDs
87/124 1094 yards
70% completion
8.82 YPA
Long of 80 yrds
10 TDs
0 INTs
7 sacks
170.9 rating
Against Florida, SMU, South Carolina State and Arky
52 rushes for 366 yards and 6 TDs
87/124 1094 yards
70% completion
8.82 YPA
Long of 80 yrds
10 TDs
0 INTs
7 sacks
170.9 rating
Against Florida, SMU, South Carolina State and Arky
Posted on 10/1/12 at 3:56 pm to supatigah
I hope you are not trying to suggest that Mett is better than mccarron.
Posted on 10/1/12 at 4:03 pm to supatigah
His first game was against UF, not a patsy, and he played well out of the gate. STD he has played two conference opponents - one upper tier, one appears bottom tier, and is 11th nationally in passing efficiency. I am taking Manziel as my QB. I am also taking #13, his teammate, as my top option to throw to.
ETA - Miles would kill to have a Manziel on the roster this season. I am sure he is very happy to have Mett as well, but the true dual threats don't come around often.
ETA - Miles would kill to have a Manziel on the roster this season. I am sure he is very happy to have Mett as well, but the true dual threats don't come around often.
This post was edited on 10/1/12 at 4:06 pm
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