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re: The modern college football player is all about me, me, me.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:08 am to Brazos
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:08 am to Brazos
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You pretty much just summed up modern society in general.
Completely agree. We live in the "instant gratification" era. So, don't just single out college football players. I believe it's the characteristic of our society, of all of us, unfortunately...
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:08 am to LSUfan20005
The transfers were few and far between up until the 2000s. It was very much so frowned upon.
The culture of today has been warped by the "look at me" media influences. If cell phones disappeared society would look and act much differently.
The culture of today has been warped by the "look at me" media influences. If cell phones disappeared society would look and act much differently.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:09 am to Slippy
It's their career on the line. Think of it like working for a company for years but never getting promoted. You can spin your wheels making a percentage of what you are worth, or move to a new company and get a nice pay increase or at least be put in a position that gives you the chance to advance.
Why would you not expect players to put themselves in the best position to be successful?
If a QB has the talent to make it to the NFL, he may kill his chances being stuck behind two others guys that are also very talented.
Players also only get 5 years to play 4. If football is their passion, then at some point these guys transfer to give themselves a shot to actually play in college.
Why would you not expect players to put themselves in the best position to be successful?
If a QB has the talent to make it to the NFL, he may kill his chances being stuck behind two others guys that are also very talented.
Players also only get 5 years to play 4. If football is their passion, then at some point these guys transfer to give themselves a shot to actually play in college.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:09 am to Slippy
is this because Lindsey Scott decided it was more important to see the field at least once in four years than stick around to impress some wash out Uncle Rico type?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:11 am to tigerfoot
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Where were these parties in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s
I guess you weren't invited.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:13 am to Slippy
What's your opinion on the two Texas Tech transfers who are sitting out this year? They will probably have significant roles on the team next season. Does all that stuff you posted apply to them?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:19 am to Lou the Jew from LSU
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Flynn stayed. How did that work out?
This argument could go either way. MF obviously wanted to stay and figured Russel would take off and leave him one year to start. He won a natty and it paid off for all the fans.
But... he only started one year in college and therefore was drafted in the 7th round. Rode the pine 4 years, had one good game, got overpaid, couldn't beat out an eventual super bowl winning qb and is now no longer playing in a league that is qb desperate. So how did that work out? Sure he made a lot of money but if he could have done things differently to still be playing football I'm sure he would have.
If matt flynn woulda transferred and started 3 years in college it is just as possible as not he's still taking snaps in the league today. There's no way starting 3 years vs 1 hurts his draft stock, and therefore he probably goes higher, is in a different situation, and things turn out differently. Maybe those things would have been, maybe they would have been worse.
Or maybe he's not. The point is, each guy wants to do what he thinks is best for him and getting to the NFL. If that's transferring in order to play, can you really blame them?
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 8:22 am
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:22 am to Slippy
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The number of transfers in the LSU program the last 5 years is astonishing. Where were all these transfers in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s? Even during our championship runs in the 2000s? Answer: they weren't there. Guys were generally more happy to be here.
Real answer: The talent wasn't there.
Don't let the past short comings under Miles fool you. These teams are INSANELY talented. You don't go to LSU unless you're an elite talent.
Now, if you're an elite talent and you're stuck behind a guy who is just a little bit better than you, would you stay and potentially ruin your shot at the NFL just because the guy in front of you in a future all-pro? No you wouldn't.
Every kid that has transferred, except MAYBE Tyron Johnson (definitely Sullivan), in the last 10 years was buried on the depth chart behind guys that were just better than them. Doesn't mean they weren't great players in their own right, so why should they stick around and potentially miss out on MILLIONS.
I can tell you this much, if my son went LSU and just got stuck behind some guys that were just a hair better, I'd suggest he transfer too. Most of these young men have a single goal when they get to LSU, make it to the league. If the depth chart starts to make that goal more difficult and you can get in at another program and make it work, do it. I have no problem with kids trying to make their futures a little bit brighter.
Now, a kid like Sullivan who IS all world talent and is just throwing a little hissy fit because he's not starting as a Sophomore, that's just being a little bitch and being scared of actually have to work.
A kid like Lindsey Scott, it's the right move for him.
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 8:23 am
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:23 am to lsu1919
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If matt flynn woulda transferred and started 3 years in college it is just as possible as not he's still taking snaps in the league today.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:24 am to Slippy
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Nobody can accept being a number 2 and competing for a spot.
Or they're pragmatic enough to know that they will be in a better situation elsewhere.
This is major college football. A lot of these kids will have legit shots at NFL rosters... If they play.
Tell me, would you stay at an apprentice program designed to give you a lucrative career if there were another program that would set you up better simply for the sake of community?
Like it or not, college football is a business. And players are employees paid with the promise of NFL money.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:27 am to Mr. Hangover
QB transfers should not be considered the same as all the other transfers. Every other position except the K/P have multiple people play other than the starter (s).
I don't fault Scott at all. He gave the big school a shot. Realized he wasn't going to ever see the field at QB even in a backup role and decided to change to a smaller school. I think this was always understood by both parties.
I don't fault Scott at all. He gave the big school a shot. Realized he wasn't going to ever see the field at QB even in a backup role and decided to change to a smaller school. I think this was always understood by both parties.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:28 am to Slippy
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The modern college STUDENT is all about me, me, me. by Slippy
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:29 am to AGENT225
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What's your opinion on the two Texas Tech transfers who are sitting out this year? They will probably have significant roles on the team next season. Does all that stuff you posted apply to them?
Exactly. It's the same double standard as rantarts that get worked up about Louisiana kids going to other programs. Never mind that guys like Patrick Peterson, Jamal Adams, and Kwon Alexander were from out of state.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:34 am to Slippy
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Nobody wants to get beat out. Nobody can accept being a number 2 and competing for a spot. So I'll just take my marbles and go elsewhere. The modern football player is weak of character, fixated on self, less about the team, and childish.
nope. Players want to, you know, actually play. If they're not getting playing time at one school, but can at another school, they go to the other school.
What in the world is wrong with that???
Transfers don't have weak character and aren't quitters - they're just finding a better fit for their abilities. Happens every single day out in the real world.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:55 am to Slippy
We sign around 25 a year and can only keep 85 on the roster. Do the math. We have to have attrition regardless. Not a big deal.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:03 am to tigerskin
Lindsey Scott did the right thing, IMO by moving on. Was not going to see PT here.
Its his fan boys that have been so obnoxious and delirious.
It has been difficult from the start distinguishing between the player and the myth, form the whole "Harvard offered" story, to his remarkable height exaggerations, to his legendary passing ability.
Its his fan boys that have been so obnoxious and delirious.
It has been difficult from the start distinguishing between the player and the myth, form the whole "Harvard offered" story, to his remarkable height exaggerations, to his legendary passing ability.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:04 am to macanLSU
The athletes are the only ones NOT getting rich off of college football.
This is ridiculous.
This is ridiculous.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:06 am to Slippy
People make mistakes. I don't think Lindsey should have even signed here. I know he had lots of family on the rant pumping him up. But reality was he's not Tiger material for qb. That doesn't mean he couldn't have moved into wr or other spot and made it. Or that the cards could have aligned and he gotten a shot if DE had fallen on his face.
There is a bit of a problem with modern society where everyone thinks they have NFL talent, even without proving one bit of it. Truth is, you have to be elite to make a team, even with the NFL crapping on the established players by making the rookies so cheap. You still have to be elite. I highly doubt someone who can't make the qb starting job here as elite. Sometimes parents need to tell the kid that if he loves the game and wants to play then maybe a top tier D1 school isn't the best for them. If Scott could have gone to Harvard, then that would have been his best chance for a great education AND play the game he wants.
There is a bit of a problem with modern society where everyone thinks they have NFL talent, even without proving one bit of it. Truth is, you have to be elite to make a team, even with the NFL crapping on the established players by making the rookies so cheap. You still have to be elite. I highly doubt someone who can't make the qb starting job here as elite. Sometimes parents need to tell the kid that if he loves the game and wants to play then maybe a top tier D1 school isn't the best for them. If Scott could have gone to Harvard, then that would have been his best chance for a great education AND play the game he wants.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:21 am to Tiger_Stripes
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The athletes are the only ones NOT getting rich off of college football.
This is ridiculous.
Well, let's pump the brakes. They do get free tuition, room and board, access to coaching, nutrition, tutoring, use of a billion dollars' worth of facilities, get massive TV exposure by playing under the brand of the university and the conference, and the chance to make business connections that can last a lifetime.
As for athletes not "getting rich" - what would you suggest? 85 scholarship players, another 20 or so walk-ons, so let's say 100 guys, for each of 130 FBS schools.
Who gets paid, and how much? Are the payments different for different players. Who decides that? If payments are the same for the QB and the backup punter, nobody's "getting rich."
Do schools have a player "salary cap"? If so, is the cap the same for LSU as it is for Vanderbilt? For Wake Forest? Boise State? La Tech?
Look, I am ok with the general concept of players getting a stipend of some kind. But it's a slippery slope with a LOT of details to consider. It's not as simple as saying: the poor oppressed players are suffering.
And once you pay football players, the lawyers aren't far behind to demand payment for ALL sports. So get ready to start writing checks to the women lacrosse players.
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 9:23 am
Posted on 8/15/17 at 9:26 am to atltiger6487
I think they're getting plenty. They have the opportunity to get a free 4 year degree with room and board. Anyone paying their way knows what kind of money that is. If only the valued education and realized how much of a payment that was. Hope they're making the best of working towards a degree.
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