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re: The impact of the opening fumble is understated
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:54 am to KamaCausey_LSU
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:54 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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I think he lost it in the sun. LSU wasn't prepared for Tennessee to kick it high and short.
This is the dumb narrative that the rant keeps tossing around.
It was bad coaching. They coached Bech to be on the 5yd line on the wrong side of the field. They were expecting a short kick, but had him lined up on the wrong side.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 10:55 am
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:55 am to talmaniandevil_25
How has spotting a team 10 points based on two atrocious special teams playsin the span of three minutes been understated?
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:57 am to talmaniandevil_25
I initially chalked up Malik's muffs to just bad luck, but at this point there's been enough guys consistently muff kicks and punts that I have to believe there's some sort of break down in the coaching these guys are receiving. It's to much to be a coincidence at this point.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:58 am to lsufb1912
CBK said in his post-game conference that he instructed Bech at the last minute to switch to the left side because they believed Tennessee was going to kick it to East side of the stadium. He wanted his best hands where he thought they were more likely to kick it, but they kicked it real short and made it a more challenging catch made on the run. Was a very bad way to start this game.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:58 am to KiwiHead
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I remember Gene Stallings saying the opening kickoff can be the most impactful play of the game if there is a return call. He spoke about the impact of a hard tackle behind the 20 on a return and a crushing tackle that would dictate the game.
Josh Reed said as much about the 2001 Auburn game.
After they stomped on the eye during pregame and got the 15 yard penalty, the onside kick call and recovery got Auburn completely out of their rhythm from the opening kickoff and they never recovered.
Tennessee is a better football team and we played, and coached, like absolute shite. But no question that set the game on a downward spiral that we were never able to stop trying to overcome.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:59 am to talmaniandevil_25
You get the ball back go score that is all
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:59 am to lsufb1912
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Has anyone figured out why Bech was initially set up on the right side of the field (near student section) & switched to the left side & couldn’t get to the ball in time?
Switch happens at 2:21 in the video. Right before this BK was telling Bech to line up on the 5yd line on right side of field. Coaches screwed this up
That fumble seems like a complete coaching mishap on Polian (again). Did he not know which side they were kicking the ball to after choosing to receive the ball on opening kickoff?
I think it is a simple as they wanted Bech to receive the kick and when Tennessee had to have someone hold the ball on the tee (because of the wind) it may have dictated to which side they were kicking.
Frankly, it looks like the coaching actually got the guy they wanted to field the kick in position to catch what they assumed was going to be a shorter kick (because it was into the wind)...he just doinked it off his chest. A coach can only put the guy they want in the position they want. The player is the one who has to execute.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:00 am to Gings5
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Yes. This was explained in the post game. BK said Tennessee has a good directional kicker and usually splits left and right about 50/50. The ball was blown over by the wind so UT used a holder. Based on the side the holder was on, they knew the ball was going to the right. “Bech is the best we got” per BK so he swapped him to the right.
Then put Bech in the fricking middle of the field until you know where he is kicking it. They put him on the LSU sideline side first & then realized Tennessee was kicking it to their side of the field & made a switch at the last second. Bech had to run 50 yds just to get in position to catch the ball.
Fire Brian Polian
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 11:00 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:00 am to YeauxTigers
Nice call Brian. Like midfield bad.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:01 am to talmaniandevil_25
Impact was minimal. The offense is terrible with or without that special teams mishap. The tackling was terrible with or without the mishap. The QB is still JD regardless and he is pathetic. Did this opening kickoff also make him suck last week against Auburn? The coaching has been terrible and was again on Saturday, despite that play. Did you not witness the offenses inability to pickup first Downs or put it in the endzone? The offense most likely would have gone 3 and out. The defense was unable to slow Tennessee down from start to finish. 40-13 and some are acting like we lost by one score. Tennessee called off the dogs and could have scored more if they wanted to.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:02 am to TheChosenOne
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The same can be said if Bech catches the KO and LSU scores on the first drive.
I guess. But that is also very unlikely.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:03 am to Alt26
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Frankly, it looks like the coaching actually got the guy they wanted to field the kick in position to catch what they assumed was going to be a shorter kick
Making a player move to other side of the field as the kicker is moving to the ball isn’t what I would call getting him in “position to catch”.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:04 am to talmaniandevil_25
So I was on the sidelines and as the ball was approaching I thought to myself let that go out of bounds but couldn't see what happened b/c of the Tenn players all in front of me but knew it was bad b/c they were all going ape shat. If you're gonna field it catch the freaking thing first. This set the mood for the whole game. 
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:05 am to lsufb1912
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Switch happens at 2:21 in the video. Right before this BK was telling Bech to line up on the 5yd line on right side of field. Coaches screwed this up
You are using confirmation bias.
Kelly clearly says “Five yard line” but doesn’t say anything about the “right side of the field”.
In fact, there are two returners back, one to each side, and in the seconds leading right to the kickoff at 2:20 he’s clearly waving for both to move toward the LEFT side, based on how they saw UT line up with the holder.
After the kickoff we see Bech running from almost the goal line, so he did not line up at the 5 which is what Kelly specifically told him to do, because of a potential short kick situation, which is obviously what happened.
Bech was late getting to the short kick because he was lined up deeper than he was told to be by the coaches.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 11:17 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:05 am to TheChosenOne
But he didn't clown 
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:07 am to lsusteve1
I didn't like it when I saw they had that bye week but nothing you can do about it.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:10 am to OU812ME2
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The fumble, the 2 4th down decisions really changed the game. Sure the fumble started us in the hole. But the 2- 4th down decisions closed it shut. Imagine being able to run out the half with 3 extra points (first 4th daown) and not letting them score that TD before half (2nd 4th down). It would have been much more of a boost than what we did.
I said the same yesterday.
Instead of going into half down 20-10, or even 20-14 in a best case scenario, we blow that possession and we don’t touch the ball again until it’s 30-7 after they score out of the half.
Just back breaking mistakes there from the coaches that combined with the opening kickoff disaster by a usually good player that became too much to overcome.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 11:13 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:17 am to talmaniandevil_25
I also thought there was a good chance that opening kick might've bounced out of bounds. No reason to even take the risk of fielding the short kick, and we'd start the game at the 40 instead of giving it to UT at our 25.
I thought the 2nd biggest killer was missing on the long pass to Jaray just before the half. That had potential to be a TD or at least put us in FG range. Despite all the mistakes, if we could've gone into half down 20-14 or 20-10 instead of 23-7, with the way we've been a 2nd half team all year, I think we would have had a great shot.
I thought the 2nd biggest killer was missing on the long pass to Jaray just before the half. That had potential to be a TD or at least put us in FG range. Despite all the mistakes, if we could've gone into half down 20-14 or 20-10 instead of 23-7, with the way we've been a 2nd half team all year, I think we would have had a great shot.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:18 am to Gings5
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BK said Tennessee has a good directional kicker and usually splits left and right about 50/50.
Bull shite. He kicked it to Tennessee’s sideline 8 out of 8 times on Saturday. Anyone care to go back & see what they did against Florida? I don’t get paid 6 figures like Polian, so I’ve gotta get back to my day job.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:18 am to lsutigerelizabeth
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Game could have been very different if we deferred and held them to no points or a FG
LSU did everything you were supposed to do for about 3 quarters to keep the game close against a team like UT but score points. LSU had drives to keep the D fresh and held UT to field goals on numerous drives but LSU couldn't score. Without scoring it didn't matter if they were held on the first drive LSU wasn't scoring enough to win.
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