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re: The gap is on the sidelines, not in talent.

Posted on 11/11/13 at 1:14 am to
Posted by speckhead
Member since Nov 2011
1111 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 1:14 am to
You said Allen and the Freak how many tackles do they have between them ,like 5 all year LMAO
Posted by speckhead
Member since Nov 2011
1111 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 1:16 am to
The O line in the second half vs. Bama I can promise you that was not coaching, they where getting beat man on man every play. All you have to do is watch the tape Bama's lines are way more talented.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 1:18 am
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20097 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 1:17 am to
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Allen and the Freak how many tackles do they have between them ,like 5 all year


Why do you think they don't have more?
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13205 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 1:18 am to
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We set a god damn record for underclassmen drafted. If a NFL defense is made up primarily of rookies or inexperienced players, they're going to struggle. Period. Pros will struggle. fricking unbelievable.



When the defense gets progressively worse as the season goes along than you have a major issue. It's not just a lack of talent buddy. This team has major coaching issues and the difference between Bama and LSU is talent and the fact that they've improved on both sides of the ball and on the lines as the year's gone on.

LSU's OL, DL, LBers, and DBs have all gotten worse as the season has gone on. It's no secret that coaching is a major issue right now.
Posted by speckhead
Member since Nov 2011
1111 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 1:20 am to
Because they do not beat the guy in front of them, it's nothing to do with coaching. They where highly recruited, and bottom line is they did not live up to expectations.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83164 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 1:21 am to
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We set a god damn record for underclassmen drafted. If a NFL defense is made up primarily of rookies or inexperienced players, they're going to struggle. Period. Pros will struggle. fricking unbelievable.
yeah, but where are u seeing this defense get better?

take the lumps, yes...but they should be better by now, and in some cases have actually regressed a ton.
Posted by ColaTiger
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2013
2193 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 1:22 am to
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Saban
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Bama
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Bama
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Bama


Dude. Get the frick over it. Seriously. It's pathetic.
Posted by speckhead
Member since Nov 2011
1111 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 1:22 am to
Not true, the schedule has gotten harder with conference play. The o line and the d line struggled vs. some of the early cupcakes. You can blame everything on coaching, line play is the least coach positions on the field. It pretty simple you get beat or you beat the guy. LMAO
Posted by countryboy2
Zimbabwe
Member since Jan 2009
1474 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 1:46 am to
Oh yea bc Loston and Barrow constantly getting thru over and around is the coaches fault
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28951 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 1:50 am to
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Where is the development of players by Saban?
Yes, there is a big gap in talent, go check ESPN recruiting classes in the last 4 years.


shite, check Rivals the last 6 years. ONCE in the last 6 years he has not had the #1 recruiting class. Hell he has the #1 recruiting class of 2014 so far.

Nobody is recruiting like Saban. Look no further tan the players if you want a reason to bitch. Our 2012 class was a pitiful haul. Only two players on defense were ranked in the Rivals 250, Dwayne Thomas at 189(not playing) and Lamar Louis at 231(RB/LB coming out so not a true LB). We had the best season since 2007, in 2011, and could only pull in the 18th ranked class.

Right now, we are in the lead for 6 5 stars and could potentially get 8-9. Guys, we have some ballers committed on the line and we finish out this class with high fours and 5 star recruits.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 1:57 am
Posted by nf
Portland, OR
Member since Oct 2012
520 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 2:58 am to
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Not true, the schedule has gotten harder with conference play. The o line and the d line struggled vs. some of the early cupcakes. You can blame everything on coaching, line play is the least coach positions on the field. It pretty simple you get beat or you beat the guy. LMAO



God damn this is dumb. Bama's line O-line was having all sorts of problems earlier in the season. VT was all over them. Now all of a sudden they're unstoppable talent monsters?

They got better because they received good and consistent coaching throughout the year. It's not just "hey, there's your guy, beat him." It's learning proper hand placement and footwork to beat him. It's learning his tendencies through watching tape so you can try to be a step ahead of him. It's learning about the stunts and disguised fronts that you're going to see and how to recognize who is really your man and where he's going to be. It's learning how to pull properly and where you should be on the first and second levels on run plays.

This is shite that is coached, it's not just raw talent. It's why our really talented O-line recruits lay eggs against schools without anything close to an equivalent level of talent on the defensive side of the ball. Because they don't know what the frick they are doing because they're apparently being coached by a moron who thinks, like you, that you just gotta go out there and beat the guy across from you and that's all there is to the game of football.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60663 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 5:47 am to
As disappointing as this is, although our starters on D are not great, the lack of depth created by all the departures is evident. We should, hopefully build some depth, but I haven't seem a ton of the freshmen on the line.

Posted by PG
Mandeville
Member since Sep 2012
2590 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 6:15 am to
An Ole Miss group of 2nd string players with a walk on freshman

Totally unprepared and absurd.

No excuse for that pile of manure
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69499 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 6:28 am to
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Saban is now 5-3 against Les Miles. It's not like Saban has mopped the floor with Miles.


One loss was in a rebuilding year. Where were the 2 programs when he took over Bama? We were elite and they weren't.
Posted by la champ1
Member since Oct 2012
1435 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 6:57 am to
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The gap is on the sidelines, not in talent.I'm ok with smallish LBs, but they need to be fast. I just don't see speed or size here.


Im not. We have guys that have been in the weight program for two plus years that are not even 220lbs. Understand speed, but you have to have some size to meet a 225+ pound back at the hole, and stop him from that one yard to ontinue the other teams drive. Our guys grab at ankles in the hole, get ran over or dragged for yardage, and cannot get off of o oline or receiver blocks. This business of 215 pound linebackers is ridiculous.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60132 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:04 am to
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Saban is now 5-3 against Les Miles.

It's not like Saban has mopped the floor with Miles.


meh...throw out 2007. It's more accurately 5-2.

We had a full throttled championship team going against a rebuilding Bama team in Saban's first year. The disparity in talent has never been so great between the two in that matchup...

And Miles still almost lost.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33254 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:14 am to
When can we fire Coach Stud? The guy has been a boat anchor for years and it's well confirmed his coaching is neither Thorough nor innovative . This guy sucks and he needs to go.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216117 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:19 am to
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NO way O line and D line for Bama way better than LSU


This was proven Saturday night. The gap is huge.
Posted by TigerPanzer
Orlando
Member since Sep 2006
9476 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:31 am to
Bama recruits more of the region's and nation's best HS players and then does a much better job of coaching 'em up, including strength and conditioning. So it's a combination of better players and better coaching. It's that simple, it's that obvious.

Posted by jwill37
The Chuck
Member since Jan 2007
1383 posts
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:37 am to
These are by far the smallest linebackers we've had. Minter was 240lbs and ran well. Kelvin wasn't little either. We're giving up too much size for speed. Mingo was out of position his whole career at LSU. That kid would have been a beast linebacker. They're doing the same with beckwith. When you give up that much size the speed better be elite and not just fast but shifty/elusive enough to avoid blocks. That's what Tyrann Mathieu did so well. When a guy came up to block him he nuked the kid and went right around him to sack the qb or make the tackle. I give up we just suck
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